Nicolas Williams wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 02:15:39PM -0700, Brock Pytlik wrote:
I guess we just have different opinions about what our user base looks
like, and neither of us has data to back it up, except for the
complaints we've received about current approaches. It's not just about
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease".
Problem is: what if this fix leads to more complaints? Sure, I can't
prove it will happen, but it stands to reason.
I'm not asking for proof, I am asking for a common use scenario where
this will happen. If you can present one, we'll reconsider. I'm not
interested in creating a large call generator to replace a large call
generator. So far, I have seen no indication other than vague and
nebulous warnings that this change will be a large call generator.
saving disk space, it's about providing the information needed to make
group packages work. Several times we've been told that the current
system of 'pkg install amp-dev'; 'pkg uninstall amp-dev' leaving large
numbers of applications on your system isn't helpful. This is needed to
fix that issue. It has the bonus of also making uninstall more generally
work as our users have told us they expect it to work.
Perhaps we need pkg uninstall to have an option to consider or disregard
user intent? That'd be a good middle of the road.
That's exactly what we have now. It's generating many complaints.
Also, this will let us handle things like a package being obsoleted, so
it's removed from your system. Then it's resurrected. Now, do you want
that package back on your system or not? Well, that depends on whether
you manually removed the package yourself, or it was removed because it
was obsolete.
If it was obsoleted then you didn't need it any longer. That it gets
resurrected cannot imply that you want it back, but certainly it
shouldn't cause harm to add it back (provided services it installs and
what not is disabled by default).
Right, unless I purposefully uninstalled it, then adding it back is not
what the user expects.
If you're right and we tick off a large number of users, we can always
put things back the way it was before.
Yes, I said as much. Just beware.
Warning so noted. I'll be sure to let you know if/when we change our
minds or you're proven right.
Brock
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