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From: Erwan David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies
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Package: eclipse
Severity: normal
sudo apt-get -u install eclipse
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
dbus-1 dbus-glib-1 eclipse-jdt eclipse-jdt-common eclipse-pde
eclipse-pde-common eclipse-platform eclipse-platform-common eclipse-rcp
eclipse-rcp-common eclipse-source gconf2 gconf2-common gnome-keyring
gnome-mime-data junit libbcel-java libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common
libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libcommons-beanutils-java
libcommons-collections-java libcommons-collections3-java
libcommons-dbcp-java libcommons-digester-java libcommons-el-java
libcommons-fileupload-java libcommons-launcher-java libcommons-logging-java
libcommons-modeler-java libcommons-pool-java libfam0c102 libgconf2-4
libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0
libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0
libgnomevfs2-common libhal-storage0 libhal0 libjsch-java liblog4j1.2-java
liblucene-java liblucene-java-doc libmx4j-java liborbit2 libregexp-java
libscrollkeeper0 libservlet2.4-java libsmbclient libswt3.1-gtk-java
libswt3.1-gtk-jni libtomcat5-java mozilla-browser scrollkeeper
shared-mime-info zenity
Which means 195 MB on disk...
eclipse does not need gnome, so there is a dependency problem on this
side. Same thing with mozilla-browser.
In any case this makes the package uninstallable here (no gnome).
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Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:17:21 +0100
From: Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Bug#342341: eclipse: too many unneeded dependencies
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 09:19:43AM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
> Le Fri 16/12/2005, Michael Koch disait
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:32:11AM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
> > > Le Wed 14/12/2005, Michael Koch disait
> > >=20
> > > > I would like that you check the facts before writing such words.
> > > >=20
> > > > You are free not to use the Eclipse packaged by Debian but e.g. t=
he Help
> > > > system which is a vital system for some users will not work. Othe=
r
> > > > thinks don't work either. Upstream Eclipse 3.1.1 don't works with=
free
> > > > java runtimes at all because of broken memory management in JDT.
> > >=20
> > > It works perfectly without mozilla. It needs a browser but that's w=
hy
> > > every browser package has a Provides: www-browser, so the dependenc=
y
> > > should be on www-browser, not mozilla-browser.
> >=20
> > Not all packages providing www-browser export the needed shared libra=
ry
> > for the embedded browser in Eclipse, which is the default and preferr=
ed
> > way in Eclipse upstream as Billy wrote.
> > =20
> > > And that doies not explain th gnome dependency, which is heavier, a=
nd
> > > tottaly inadequate and, I repeat DANGEROUS.
> >=20
> > Eclipse doesn't depend on gnome, just on some libraries gnome provide=
s.
> > Many applications do this. That is neither heavy nor totally inadequa=
te.
> > Our goal is to make Eclipse ready-to-use after a simple
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > 'apt-get install eclipse'
>=20
> No eclipse (the software) depends on *gtk* libs. Even eclipse.org does
> not cite gnome as a requirements. *YOU* impose gnome.
Please read what Billy Biggs, upstream SWT developer, wrote in this
thread.
> > To make this happen we have to depend on some stuff that may not be
> > needed but is needed in the default configuration of Eclipse. When yo=
u
> > don't need this features, don't use them.
> >=20
> > It is definitely NOT DANGEROUS. Data loss would be DANGEROUS.
>=20
> Gnome IS a danger beca=E9use its goal is to impose a tatlly inadequate
> way of using a computer to people who do not want it. Gnome is
> contrary to the freedom of the user.
That is a highly contrary statement. I don't want to take part in such a
desktop flamewar. I close this bug now as it is in no way serious.
Cheers,
Michael
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