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On Sat, Jan 17, 2026 at 2:35 PM Alberto Salvia Novella <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I believe that a bunch things criticized to Xorg are actually its greatest
> strengths:
> - A single code stack for all desktop environments. Standardization by
> design.
> - Separation of the mechanisms from the policies. Let the client decide.
> - No isolation within components. Simple communication among them.
>
>
> Following the same trend as Wayland, about the fork of SDDM, for deeper
> integration at the expense of portability, I have to say that Zenned has
> always avoided such integration.
>
> The very polished Zenned login screen
> <https://gitlab.com/es20490446e/sddm-theme-dawn> is coded in pure QML,
> and it only has the password prompt and two power buttons. Everything else,
> like power indicators or notifications, is deemed useless in a screen which
> is intended to be seen just a few seconds.
>
>
> Coming back to Wayland, these are the reasons why currently Zenned hasn't
> adopted it yet as the default session:
>
> The ugliest: Non-maximizable windows are broken with placement policy set
> as maximized <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499256>. Windows are
> not decorated, and choppy when moved.
>
> Also X11 + Autocomposer <https://gitlab.com/es20490446e/autocomposer> has
> noticeable lower latency than Wayland. It is specially noticeable with the
> mouse cursor. It doesn't matter how much lightweight the window rendering
> is, if the mouse movement is laggy or inconsistent. When gaming you
> perceive full screen camera movements as laggy, even if the rendering has
> decent latency.
>
> On Nvidia Optimus the mouse latency is only decent while installing Optimus
> Manager <http://github.com/Askannz/optimus-manager>, which keeps the iGPU
> at maximum clocks. Otherwise this bug
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513593> happens.
>
> I suspect these latency differences are not noticeable to most KDE
> developers because they either don't have an NVIDIA GPU, a high polling
> rate mouse, or a high frame-rate screen. But the three are currently
> important for a quality gaming experience, and most gamers will gave them.
>
> Summarizing, from the current user perspective: why using Wayland, when
> using X11 has lower more consistent latency on games?
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2026 at 2:00 PM Piotr H. Dabrowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > with Plasma 6.7 being the last version with X11 support
>> > 6.7.7 2027-02-02
>>
>> I think dropping support for an ACTUALLY WORKING, VERY STABLE, and
>> BATTLE-TESTED environment like Xorg/XLibre in favor of a solution where
>> even the underlying protocol design is still effectively in an alpha state,
>> valid use cases are broken, and basic core features are still missing and
>> still actively debated among developers, is pretty insane. Literally.
>>
>> I would like to hear a MERITORIOUS reply to these concerns:
>>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1pxectw/wayland_is_flawed_at_its_core_and_the_community/
>>
>>
>> https://www.semicomplete.com/blog/xdotool-and-exploring-wayland-fragmentation/
>>
>> https://vas.neocities.org/wayland_shitware
>>
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44301194
>>
>> Namely:
>> - no mouse-grabbing protocol; pointer-warp protocol is still broken
>> (required by virtually every game)
>> - screen sharing is still broken
>> - color management is still broken
>> - automation tools are broken (xdotool)
>> - global hotkeys broken
>> - accessibility features can’t be properly implemented
>> - no sane capabilities system
>> - no standard way to communicate with the window manager (like EWMH)
>> - fragmentation hell: no DE is required to implement any protocol, no API
>> can be considered reliable
>> - every new feature requires a new protocol and multiple, DE-specific
>> implementations, which will take years to become even remotely useful
>> ...and much more.
>> READ the actual articles; it's 10 minutes of work spent on actually
>> listening to the community.
>>
>> Wayland is unusable for the majority of Linux users, based on the use
>> cases described and the numerous comments above.
>> Are you willing to take our voices into consideration, or will you
>> continue to ignore us?
>>
>> Power-users, in particular, will be hurt by you ignoring our needs. KDE
>> has always been the desktop environment that supported us.
>> Do you remember "Simple by Default, Powerful when Needed"? With Wayland,
>> it feels more like "Broken by Default, Powerful Never".
>>
>> I am fully in favor of replacing old X11 with something modern and
>> better, but Wayland is either not that solution, or at the very least, it
>> is not ready yet.
>>
>> That said, there should obviously be NO END DATE SCHEDULED FOR X11
>> SUPPORT.
>> Maybe we can have this discussion again in 5 years or so, when Wayland is
>> (hopefully) ready and actually usable.
>>
>> Once again: stop ignoring valid concerns and provide meritorious
>> responses instead of avoiding the topic. Otherwise, this will end badly for
>> the entire Linux community.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Piotr H. Dabrowski
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> with Plasma 6.7 being the last version with X11 support [1] and the idea
>>> that "6.7 would get support until 6.9 branches" (David Edmundson, [2] ),
>>> I re-visited my proposed schedule and also created a draft schedule for
>>> 6.8 and 6.9.
>>>
>>> This will be a bit of a longer e-mail, sorry, I'll try to keep it as
>>> short as possible.
>>>
>>> +++++ [Plasma 6.7.] +++++
>>> 6.6.80          2026-04-30
>>> 6.6.90          2026-05-14 [Note1]
>>> 6.6.91          2026-05-28
>>> TAR             2026-06-11
>>> 6.7.0           2026-06-16
>>> 6.7.1           2026-06-23
>>> 6.7.2           2026-06-30
>>> 6.7.3           2026-07-14
>>> 6.7.4           2026-08-04
>>> 6.7.5           2026-09-08
>>> 6.7.6           2026-11-10 [Note2]
>>> 6.7.7           2027-02-02 [Note3, Note4]
>>>
>>> Versions:
>>> Qt: Stay on 6.10 (as agreed upon in the last e-mail thread and on Matrix
>>> discussion)
>>> KDE FW: 6.26
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> [General / CI]
>>> I'm not sure how the CI situation will work out for one extra release of
>>> Plasma 6.7. There were some concerns raised by Ben Cooksley [4], though
>>> that was with my then drafted 6.7.8 bugfix release, which has been
>>> dropped. The current proposal would end the 6.7 series with 6.7.7 .
>>>
>>> [Note1] This is the Thursday following the corresponding Frameworks
>>> release ("expected May 8th"). It's also 2 days after 6.6.5, but that
>>> should be OK?
>>>
>>> [Note2] Delayed by one week with regard to the Fibonacci sequence to
>>> avoid conflict with 6.8.2
>>>
>>> [Note3] As can be seen further down this e-mail, this is about 2 weeks
>>> after tagging of Plasma 6.9 (scheduled for 2027-01-21)
>>>
>>> [Note4] Even though this is one extra release compared to other Plasma
>>> versions, consesus so far seems to be to not call this an "LTS" release
>>> publicly.
>>> +++++ [/Plasma 6.7.] +++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +++++ [Plasma 6.8.] +++++
>>> 6.7.80          2026-09-03
>>> 6.7.90          2026-09-17 [Note5]
>>> 6.7.91          2026-10-01
>>> TAR             2026-10-15
>>> 6.8.0           2026-10-20
>>> 6.8.1           2026-10-27
>>> 6.8.2           2026-11-03
>>> 6.8.3           2026-11-17
>>> 6.8.4           2026-12-08
>>> 6.8.5           2027-01-12
>>> 6.8.6           2027-03-16 [Note6]
>>>
>>> Versions:
>>> Qt: TBD (Staying with Qt 6.10 or Qt 6.11 would be possible, released
>>> "March 2026"[3])
>>> KDE FW: 6.30
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> [Note5] Thursday after corresponding Frameworks release ("expected Sept.
>>> 11th")
>>> [Note6] Delayed by one week with regard to the Fibonacci sequence to
>>> avoid conflict with 6.9.1
>>>
>>>
>>> +++++ [/Plasma 6.8.] +++++
>>>
>>>
>>> +++++ [Plasma 6.9.] +++++
>>> 6.8.80          2027-01-07 [Note7]
>>> 6.8.90          2027-01-21
>>> 6.8.91          2027-02-04
>>> TAR             2027-02-18
>>> 6.9.0           2027-02-23
>>> 6.9.1           2027-03-02
>>> 6.9.2           2027-03-09
>>> 6.9.3           2027-03-23
>>> 6.9.4           2027-04-13
>>> 6.9.5           2027-05-18
>>> 6.9.6           2027-07-13
>>>
>>>
>>> Versions:
>>> Qt: TBD (Qt 6.11 and Qt 6.12 would probably both be available)
>>> KDE FW: 6.34(?) - Not scheduled yet.
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> [Note7] I've delayed this by about 2 weeks from the "usual" schedule to
>>> avoid a soft freeze right around Christmas. All other dates are delayed,
>>> therefor, too (when comparing with earlier versions of Plasma).
>>>
>>> This might be a good time to re-think the 2-or-3-releases a year
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> +++++ [/Plasma 6.9.] +++++
>>>
>>> As always: this is just a quick proposal by me, trying to take into
>>> account previous discussions and previous schedules. I'm happy to change
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> [1] https://blogs.kde.org/2025/11/26/going-all-in-on-a-wayland-future/
>>> [2]
>>> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2025-December/123833.html
>>> [3] https://wiki.qt.io/QtReleasing
>>> [4]
>>> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2025-December/123826.html
>>>
>>

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