Hi Mikaël,

No, the user usually uses a different application that can change files inside the app bundle. According to my understanding, macOS 10.15 only makes some part of the file system (containing the application) read-only for the application itself - at least this is what I found out so far.

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On 2019-08-05 11:43, Mikaël Barbero wrote:


Le 5 août 2019 à 11:35, Thomas Singer <ts-...@syntevo.com> a écrit :

but I don't see a technical reason to not have them inside the .app structure 
unless they are changed by the application itself.

Unless changed by the application itself or the end user (I'm thinking about 
-vmargs).


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On 2019-08-05 11:09, Mikaël Barbero wrote:
I'm willing to help improving the CBI macOS signing to let project notarize their apps. 
However, I would need some help about the "Hardened Runtime capability". I 
guess this is something to be done on the Tycho or Equinox side first, correct?
Also, from what I read here 
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/notarizing_your_app_before_distribution/customizing_the_notarization_workflow#3087732,
 the notarization process "typically takes less than an hour". It means that it 
could make the build much slower than it is today (esp. because today the signing process 
is synchronous with the build). Any idea how to change that? Should the 
signing/notarization occur in a separate CI job?
@Thomas
IIRC notarized apps cannot be modified, meaning that config files, p2 bundle 
pool etc.. can't live inside the .app anymore. Correct? If this is the case, 
how do you follow 
https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFBundles/BundleTypes/BundleTypes.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/10000123i-CH101-SW13
 more closely? Do you store config files, bundle pool etc. in folders 
recommended by 
https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/FileSystemProgrammingGuide/AccessingFilesandDirectories/AccessingFilesandDirectories.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010672-CH3-SW11?
Thanks.
Mikaël Barbero
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Le 5 août 2019 à 10:35, Torkild U. Resheim <torki...@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi all,

I think I’m also seeing a problem related to the notarization process[1]. Using 
macOS 10.15 beta (19A526h) I downloaded and attempted to run the Eclipse 
installer which resulted in the following message:

«Eclipse-inst-mac64.dmg» can’t be opened because Apple cannot check it for 
malicious software.

Best regards,
Torkild

[1] 
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/notarizing_your_app_before_distribution

1. aug. 2019 kl. 13:46 skrev Thomas Singer <ts-...@syntevo.com>:

Hello,

According to my information, macOS 10.15 does not accept simple signed applications any more, but 
requires a more complicated "notarization" process that requires the application to be 
signed with "hardened runtime".

I've successfully notarized our application, but it fails even on 10.14 with 
the following exception:

java.lang.NullPointerException
        at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Composite._getChildren(Composite.java:99)
        at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Composite.reskinChildren(Composite.java:979)
        at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.ToolBar.reskinChildren(ToolBar.java:716)
        at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.reskin(Widget.java:423)
        at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Widget.setData(Widget.java:1704)

Did someone already got a non-trivial Java/SWT application signed/notarized 
correctly for macOS 10.15 that also runs without problems?

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