Thanks very much!  Indeed, I was on maven 3.6.1 - reverting to 3.6.0 helped
me move forward a lot!  In general, where would a potential contributor
find out about issues like "doesn't work with maven 3.6.1 or 3.6.2"?
Normally when I try to contribute a new project, it's common that I'll bump
into a build error on my first build.  The first thing I do is put the
error into the github search, and almost always an issue comes up which
tells me the magic trick, and then I can be productive again.

For SWT, which searchbox should I type into to find out something like
this?  The email list works great ;-) but I feel bad that I'm dinging so
many people for such basic questions.

But since I've almost got a working build, I'll keep going!

The CI box is running this command:
https://ci.eclipse.org/platform/view/Gerrit/job/eclipse.platform.swt-Gerrit/230/flowGraphTable/

mvn -Pbuild-individual-bundles -DforceContextQualifier=zzz
-Dnative=gtk.linux.x86_64 -Dcompare-version-with-baselines.skip=true
-Dmaven.compiler.failOnWarning=true install

When I run this command on a linux box, I get a successful build.  Huzzah,
thanks!!
When I run it on a mac (changing -Dnative to cocoa.macosx.x86_64) , it
really struggles with "tycho-snapshots".  It downloads a few, then
eventually gets [2].  It seems to download them over and over, failing in a
different spot each time.  By attempting ~20 times (not exaggerating!!!) it
eventually ran mostly (but not completely) successfully.
When I run it on a windows box (changing -Dnative to win32.win32.x86_64),
it still tries to use gtk, and thus fails. [1]

Any guesses why windows is using gtk / ways to fix?  Any hints for making
the mac build more reliable?

Thanks very much!  I'm collating all this info to put into the README

[1]
[ERROR]
test_syncExecLjava_lang_Runnable_dispose(org.eclipse.swt.tests.junit.Test_org_eclipse_swt_widgets_Display)
 Time elapsed: 0.353 s  <<< ERROR!
java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError:
Could not load SWT library. Reasons:
        no swt-gtk-4930r3 in java.library.path
        no swt-gtk in java.library.path
        Can't load library:
C:\Users\ntwigg\Documents\dev\eclipse.platform.swt\tests\org.eclipse.swt.tests\target\.swt\lib\win32\x86_64\swt-gtk-4930r3.dll
        Can't load library:
C:\Users\ntwigg\Documents\dev\eclipse.platform.swt\tests\org.eclipse.swt.tests\target\.swt\lib\win32\x86_64\swt-gtk.dll

        at
org.eclipse.swt.tests.junit.Test_org_eclipse_swt_widgets_Display.test_syncExecLjava_lang_Runnable_dispose(Test_org_eclipse_swt_widgets_Display.java:1

[2]
Caused by: java.net.UnknownHostException: repo.eclipse.org
    at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName0 (InetAddress.java:1281)
    at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName (InetAddress.java:1193)
    at java.net.InetAddress.getAllByName (InetAddress.java:1127)
    at
org.apache.maven.wagon.providers.http.httpclient.impl.conn.SystemDefaultDnsResolver.resolve
(SystemDefaultDnsResolver.java:45)

Any tips for

1) How


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On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 1:54 PM Paul Pazderski <paul-ecli...@ppazderski.de>
wrote:

> And if it was not clear yet. There is no immediate need to build SWT
> natives to work on SWT. Most parts are written in Java and you get the
> native part from the SWT binaries repository. And to work on SWT Java
> part Oomph setup will do all you need.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
> Am 04.10.2019 um 22:47 schrieb Paul Pazderski:
> > I have not build SWT on Mac, only Windows and Linux. What you can try is
> > to get SWT projects build in Eclipse (best using Oomph as Ed described).
> > Once build in Eclipse there should be a library folder in
> > eclipse.platform.swt/bundles/org.eclipse.swt/bin with a script to build
> > the native parts. As I said, never did it on Mac but that could work
> > from my experience.
> >
> > For CI:
> > Maybe the following two links are interesting for you.
> > Jobs building natives:
> > https://ci.eclipse.org/releng/view/SWT%20Natives/
> > Job building contributions to SWT:
> >
> https://ci.eclipse.org/platform/view/Gerrit/job/eclipse.platform.swt-Gerrit/
> >
> > For building on command line:
> > usually it is enough to run
> >   mvn verify -P build-individual-bundles
> > in repository root (less sure for SWT)
> >
> > Note that both, maven 3.6.1 and 3.6.2 have breaking bugs for building
> > Eclipse stuff.
> >
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MNG-6642
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MNG-6765
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > Am 04.10.2019 um 22:43 schrieb Ned Twigg:
> >> Thanks very much, very helpful!!
> >>
> >>>  I think the problem is that the parent pom is often in another Git
> >> repository, so it's never quite clear to me how one could actually do a
> >> build locally for the platform's projects.
> >>
> >> I would love the answer to this question, if anyone has it.  I'm also
> >> very curious to know how CI runs.
> >>
> >> Ned Twigg
> >> Lead Software Architect, DiffPlug LLC
> >> 540-336-8043 (cell)
> >> 888-513-6870 (fax)
> >> 340 S Lemon Ave #3433, Walnut, CA 91789
> >>
> >> ᐧ
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 1:25 PM Ed Merks <ed.me...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:ed.me...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Ned,
> >>
> >>     Comments below.
> >>
> >>     On 04.10.2019 20:24, Ned Twigg wrote:
> >>>     Thanks for the help, we're off to a good start!  One of my goals
> >>>     is to make sure the bug I encountered is reproduced in the test
> >>>     suite, and then fixed after the code change.  Otherwise it will
> >>>     just break again.
> >>>
> >>>     The problem with IDE-only is that inevitably there's a test that
> >>>     somebody was running in their IDE that isn't being tested by CI.
> >>     I'm not sure that's the case.  I think (assume) all the JUnit tests
> >>     that one can run from within the IDE also run in the CI build (and
> >>     vice versa).  The problem is often that there are no launchers
> >>     committed so one isn't exactly sure how one should run the tests
> >>     from within the IDE, but I don't think you should need to do a
> >>     command line build in order to write and run tests.  If my ability
> >>     to contribute depended on first being able to do a command line
> >>     build, I would never have been able to contribute anything...
> >>>     So I wanted to first make sure that I can do the command-line
> >>>     build, and my next step was to get the IDE stuff going.  Here is
> >>>     how I normally do that when I contribute to something:
> >>>
> >>>     - look in the README
> >>>     - it points me to https://www.eclipse.org/swt/fixbugs.php, which
> >>>     doesn't say anything about the command-line build
> >>>     - a lot of the links on this page are out-of-date, which makes me
> >>>     question if the instructions are accurate or not
> >>>         - Tools link points to Eclipse 3.5
> >>>         - Javadoc points to Eclipse Luna
> >>>         - Community has CVS links to the Fox widget port
> >>>         - Contact Us points to defunct mailing lists
> >>     Yes, documentation tends to get out of date. :-(
> >>>     - this makes me not trust this link, so I go to the next link in
> >>>     the README:
> >>>
> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.platform.swt/developer
> >>>     - this link says "This project is archived. Some links on this
> >>>     page may not work."
> >>>     - the next link in the README is the defunct
> >>>     https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/platform-swt-dev
> >>>     - so next I go to CONTRIBUTING
> >>>         - which is how I found out about this list
> >>     That helped at least. :-)
> >>>
> >>>     I appreciate the help on the IDE stuff - I can get it running in
> >>>     an IDE.  But I'm still not able to run the command-line build.
> >>
> >>     The builds are rather complicated.  I'm not sure how to run a Maven
> >>     build.  For EMF and for Oomph (my own projects), I have an external
> >>     launcher configuration committed into the repo that one can kick off
> >>     a maven build easily from within the IDE.  This has not been done
> >>     for the platform.  I think the problem is that the parent pom is
> >>     often in another Git repository, so it's never quite clear to me how
> >>     one could actually do a build locally for the platform's projects.
> >>     Of course someone will point out that it's quite easy, if one knows
> >>     the right magical (undocumented?) way to do that.
> >>
> >>     I'm sure though that you will generally need to do that in order to
> >>     run the tests that you'd want to run.  You should be able to do that
> >>     from just what's built in the IDE...
> >>
> >>>
> >>>     In my opensource projects, I try to make the repo self-sufficient.
> >>     Yes, but that's difficult in a project as complex as the platform
> >>     where there are so many separate Git repositories involved...
> >>>     External links to wikis and webpages and forums tend to go stale,
> >>>     so I try to make sure that all the information that anyone needs
> >>>     to run the build is right there in the repo.  If someone wants to
> >>>     improve the instructions, they don't need to get admin on some
> >>>     wiki or forum, they can just update the repo.
> >>     That's also why I believe something like an automated setup is so
> >>     important, because no human really wants to read a lot of
> >>     documentation and then have to map that onto a long series of manual
> >>     steps to hopefully achieve the correct end result.
> >>>
> >>>     As an
> >>>     example:
> https://github.com/diffplug/goomph/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
> >>>
> >>>     So three questions:
> >>>
> >>>     1) Would this be a welcome contribution?
> >>     Keep in mind that are 24+ repositories that comprise the Eclipse
> >>     Platform SDK, so it's actually a lot of work to come up with
> >>     something consistent and actually useful for each one...
> >>>     If I update the README and CONTRIBUTING to be self-sufficient,
> >>>     rather than pointing out to external websites which are difficult
> >>>     for outside contributors to keep up-to-date?
> >>     One advantage of wikis is that they can be adapted and contributed
> >>     to easily as well.   But in the end, *all *documentation becomes
> >>     stale with age, and anything the committers themselves don't use
> >>     will get stale even faster.
> >>>     2a) How to I build at the command line?  When I do `mvn
> >>>     help:describe`, I get
> >>>
> >>>     [FATAL] Non-resolvable parent POM for
> >>>     eclipse.platform.swt:eclipse.platform.swt:4.14.0-SNAPSHOT: Could
> >>>     not find artifact
> >>>     org.eclipse:eclipse-platform-parent:pom:4.14.0-SNAPSHOT and
> >>>     'parent.relativePath' points at wrong local POM @ line 16, column
> 11
> >>>      @
> >>>     [ERROR] The build could not read 1 project -> [Help 1]
> >>>     [ERROR]
> >>>     [ERROR]   The project
> >>>     eclipse.platform.swt:eclipse.platform.swt:4.14.0-SNAPSHOT
> >>>     (/Users/ntwigg/Documents/dev/eclipse.platform.swt/pom.xml) has 1
> error
> >>>     [ERROR]     Non-resolvable parent POM for
> >>>     eclipse.platform.swt:eclipse.platform.swt:4.14.0-SNAPSHOT: Could
> >>>     not find artifact
> >>>     org.eclipse:eclipse-platform-parent:pom:4.14.0-SNAPSHOT and
> >>>     'parent.relativePath' points at wrong local POM @ line 16, column
> >>>     11 -> [
> >>>
> >>     Hopefully someone else will be able to answer this.  This is an
> >>     example, I believe, where the parent pom comes from a different
> >>     repositoriy...
> >>>     2b) Where can I see what CI is doing?  If I want to duplicate a CI
> >>>     result on my machine, how do I go about that?
> >>
> >>     This is the central index:
> >>
> >>     https://ci.eclipse.org/
> >>
> >>     But I'm not sure which one is for SWT, and even if you found it,
> >>     people don't make a habit of making their build configuration
> >>     read-public, so you can't typically see how the builds are
> >>     configured. :-(
> >>
> >>     So hopefully someone else can shed light on this theme.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>     Ned Twigg
> >>>     Lead Software Architect, DiffPlug LLC
> >>>     540-336-8043 (cell)
> >>>     888-513-6870 (fax)
> >>>     340 S Lemon Ave #3433, Walnut, CA 91789
> >>>
> >>>     ᐧ
> >>>
> >>>     On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 10:45 AM Ed Merks <ed.me...@gmail.com
> >>>     <mailto:ed.me...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>         Ned,
> >>>
> >>>         If it's an issue of setting up a local development environment
> >>>         that can be done automatically:
> >>>
> >>>           https://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Platform_SDK_Provisioning
> >>>
> >>>         SWT is a bit tricky, with some renaming involved to set up the
> >>>         classpath in an OS-specific way, but that's handled
> >>>         automatically by the setup.
> >>>
> >>>         The above will clone way more projects than you really need,
> >>>         but you can go back after the initial automatic selection,
> >>>         selectively choose which projects to actually clone; this
> >>>         particular setup chooses all the Eclipse SDK projects by
> >>>         default.  You would actually only need the SWT project for
> >>>         your focused purpose, but it's super useful to have clones of
> >>>         all projects of the Eclipse SDK so that you can contribute
> >>>         anywhere and change anything.
> >>>
> >>>         Take note of the instructions about getting a Gerrit account
> >>>         and changing the clone URIs to be Gerrit Read/Write URIs so
> >>>         that you can commit to Gerrit when you want to contribute
> later.
> >>>
> >>>         Regards,
> >>>         Ed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         On 04.10.2019 18:35, Ned Twigg wrote:
> >>>>         Hello!  I really like SWT.  I like contributing to open
> >>>>         source, and I have a hard time contributing to SWT.  I would
> >>>>         like to help make it easier to contribute.
> >>>>
> >>>>         I found and documented a simple bug two years ago.
> >>>>         https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=520488
> >>>>
> >>>>         Today, Niraj very generously supplied a fix, but he cannot
> >>>>         test it because he doesn't have a mac.  I figured the least I
> >>>>         could do was help test it, but I cannot get the build to
> >>>>         work.  I tried to follow the README/CONTRIBUTING, but it
> >>>>         seems that a lot of the info there is stale.
> >>>>
> >>>>         Is there anyone who can help get me setup?  I will document
> >>>>         the process, and update the README / CONTRIBUTING.  I also
> >>>>         plan to run a GitHub mirror with public CI, so that it is
> >>>>         easier for people like me to at least get started with
> >>>>         contributing back to SWT.
> >>>>
> >>>>         Ned Twigg
> >>>>         Lead Software Architect, DiffPlug LLC
> >>>>         540-336-8043 (cell)
> >>>>         888-513-6870 (fax)
> >>>>         340 S Lemon Ave #3433, Walnut, CA 91789
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