On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Louis Gesbert
<[email protected]> wrote:
> You're making important points; this is an area where pragmatism is way above 
> consistency or simplicity of design, just because the one direction it'll 
> have to scale is users.
>
>> > * this is not focused on advanced users with multiple switches,
>> >   etc. and it makes the configuration simpler to understand and
>> >   edit.
>>
>> Fair, although it would be a lot better if this created dot files that
>> were suitable for people who wanted to extend to more advanced use
>> later.  Setting up emacs files and the like is quite painful, even for
>> sophisticated users, and I think a lot of them would appreciate the
>> help.
>
> Agreed: best if it can be scaled to the needs of more advanced users without 
> having to restart configuring from scratch, let's not add more steps than 
> needed.
>
>> > * user-setup configures editors depending on what is installed in
>> >   the current switch ; it may not make sense in other switches.
>>
>> I'm tempted to think that this is a mistake, as I said in my previous
>> email.  I think we'd probably get a more readable and robust set of
>> emacs configs if they just auto-detected what was there, and
>> conditionally enabled those bits of editor automation.
>
> Hmm, I was afraid of writing something that could get inconsistent, but 
> indeed, if possible, there is no good reason not to add the detection code in 
> the editor itself. Tool-configuration snippets may still be useful in some 
> cases (less versatile editors), but it's best to put as much as possible in 
> the base snippet for the editor.
>
>> > * some tools are generally useful (tuareg, ocp-indent) and
>> >   installing them in one switch should be enough. There is a clear
>> >   distinction though for compiler-version dependent tools (merlin,
>> >   ocp-index).
>>
>> Yeah, that's a good point.  I think I'd personally prefer to just
>> install tuareg and ocp-indent and the like in all my switches, and
>> have merlin and ocp-index work properly as I 
>> switch.https://github.com/AltGr/opam-user-setup
>
> Nothing is actually preventing us from being static for the first class of 
> tools (tuareg, indent), and dynamic for the second class (compiler-specific 
> ones), except maybe complexity and readability. I'd like to have similar 
> (dynamic) code for all, but then set a static path for first-class tools so 
> that it'll still work if you don't install them everywhere.

That sounds good.

>> > * this approach is guaranteed to be available for all editors.
>>
>> Perhaps we should do something more custom for individual editors.  We
>> could just have different packages for different editors, vim-support,
>> sublime-text-support, emacs-support, etc, which had some useful
>> dot-files and a setup script for them.  I'm not sure a one-size-fits-all
>> -editors approach is going to really be possible here.
>
> I'd still like to try: there is an (editor x tool) matrix that can quickly 
> gain in size, and gathering everything at a single place will really help 
> maintaining various combinations, or at least knowing were to search. If it 
> explodes in size, we can still start referring to other packages.

That seems totally fine.

>> If we get user-setup to install a robust set of emacs (or vim, or
>> sublime text...) macros, there isn't really a switch problem.  After
>> all, my current emacs configs work fine when I flip between different
>> switches.  If all user-setup is a set of configs to install such
>> robust scripts, we're in a pretty good place.
>>
>> In other words, maybe we should focus on building highly robust
>> scripts first, and then just have an easy delivery mechanism for those
>> scripts in opam.
>
> That's indeed my goal, maybe I over-engineered the tool. But I am also 
> concerned with the convergence for such scripts: everyone typically tends to 
> have his or her own tailored version of the editor configuration, and is 
> generally reluctant to swap it for one in n integrated solutions, so it's 
> really important to manage and focus the effort somewhere for establishing 
> and testing these files.
>
> I just updated the README at https://github.com/AltGr/opam-user-setup to 
> reflect these thoughts in one place (it's by no means the end of discussion)

Excellent.  I'll take a look.

y
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