On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude+li...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On 11 September 2012 06:43, Nathan Van Gheem <vangh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Can anyone give the plip a try? >> >> I'd like a review. >> >> David, I know you were having js errors previously. I just tried the plip >> buildout out and it seems to be working correctly. >> > > I just built it. It works. > Thanks Martin! > > My very, very quick first impression: > > - we really want this > - we may want some way to tie it more closely to the Dexterity TTW editor > - the UI is confusing ;) > I know... > There's a *lot* going on, and buttons and toolbars all over the place. The > colours are also fairly non-standard in a Plone context. > It's actually bootstrap. We had it more plone-like originally and it was worse. Think we should go for something much more plain? > I think we should try to get some user testing done on this, like we did > for the theme mapper. > > Some basic things that confuse me just looking at it: > > - The first screen you get is very bare; not sure how I got there, what's > going on > Right, needs more explanation. > - Something odd is going on with the breadcrumbs > Right, we need "back to control panel" and such. - Text in the overlays is very small and form layout looks broken > I believe that's default plone styles. Overlay font-size is 80% but yah, we can make that 100% for this. > - The toolbar looks too similar to the list of states/transitions > underneath > Should we do a completely different color? > - I didn't notice the twiddles to open/close the state/transition bars up > for more details > Yah, need a better way for users to notice those open up or open one up by default. > - The "Transitions>>" looks like a button and is a link, but clicking it > does nothing > Yah, I noticed this too. > - The "states/transitions" switch looks like links inside the toolbar, > but they behave more like how tabs behave elsewhere in Plone's UI > - The tooltip hover help is great, though it doesn't look very Ploney > Not much of this is "Ploney." Yah, it needs some styling. The plone UI needs to eventually have a standard tooltip... - It feels like I can affect the state-transition relationship from both > ends (e.g. "source state" on a transition), which makes it hard for me to > understand what affects what > Yes, you can. That was a "feature" :) > > I suspect many of these things could be solved quite easily by just moving > a few things around and probably relegating a few more things to "advanced > mode". Mostly, I think I'm missing something overarching to tie the whole > thing together: what are states and transitions? How do they relate to each > other? > Okay, I'll try thinking about it more. I really appreciate the feedback. It's been so long since anyone has even said anything critical and I feel like I am too familiar with the current state to properly be critical of the UI. > Maybe we can generate some kind of state chart graph for them? > If graphviz is installed, there is a button activated that'll generate a graph for you. Or do you mean something different? -Nathan
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