On 2014-08-30 08:31-0700 Alan W. Irwin wrote: > Recently four long-time subscribers to this list (two of them PLplot > core developers) have been having trouble with being > automatically unsubscribed from the plplot-devel mailing list. > (I am BCCing this note to them in case they are currently unsubscribed). > > Typical messages (which I also receive as list admininstrator) are as > follows: > > List: Plplot-devel > Member: <username>@yahoo.com > Action: Subscription disabled. > Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. > > It turns out this is a much broader issue than just plplot-devel > un-subscriptions. According to http://ehc.ac/p/forge/site-support/7413/ > these problems are caused by recent (April) changes at yahoo.com > regarding dmarc (yet another stupid corporate "anti-spam" measure) > policy. (See also the remark about yahoo configuration of dmarc at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC.) So far according to the above > site-support URL and additional mailing list discussions pointed to by > that URL there is no good solution to this problem, and so SF has > decided there is nothing they can do except urge users not to use > yahoo.com for subscriptions. > > So I am passing that advice along. I know that is not very > satisfactory, but if ISP corporations are careless with their users' desire > to participate in mailing lists, then the only real option for such > users is to vote with their feet. > > Note, the problem is not completely confined to yahoo. The above > discussions also mentioned aol, and although two of the subscribers > here so far affected indeed have yahoo subscriptions, one uses > hotmail, and one uses his own private domain where presumably he > has complete control so it may be a matter of an > incorrect dmarc configuration in his case. > > However, I notice gmail has not been a problem here and is not > mentioned in discussions. Therefore, there is at least one large > corporate ISP (and, of course, presumably many smaller ISP's) that so > far are not configuring dmarc the anti-list way that yahoo does. >
I just discovered 5 more of these historical "Bounce action notification" announcements in my e-mail INBOX, and I got a repeat one for one of you this morning (for yahoo.com). That notice had a link to http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html (which redirects to https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN7253.html?impressions=true). In there yahoo justifies their anti-list policy by claiming "In almost all cases, we recommend that you switch to sending mail from your own domain." This statement implies yahoo only wants you to receive e-mail using their mail services and not actually send it from there. Also, if you replace "your own domain" in that sentence by "any domain that doesn't have these stupid anti-list dmarc policies", then I couldn't agree more. So mailing-list advice and yahoo.com advice seems to be consistent; change your mailing list subscription address (see subscribe button at http://sourceforge.net/p/plplot/mailman/?source=navbar) from yahoo.com to some domain that actually provides full mail service if you want to use SF or any other mailing lists. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the FreeEOS equation-of-state implementation for stellar interiors (freeeos.sf.net); the Time Ephemerides project (timeephem.sf.net); PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.sf.net); the libLASi project (unifont.org/lasi); the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net); and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Slashdot TV. Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. http://tv.slashdot.org/ _______________________________________________ Plplot-devel mailing list Plplot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plplot-devel
