> This is a fair argument. However, rendering the page takes quite a bit
> longer than flipping a paper page.
That's also because this isn't a paper book anymore. The concepts
change, as do the methods of reading them. For that, people have to expect a
certain learning curve, and maybe a bit different modus-operandi.
> Another problem is that you cannot easily search a long page. In fact,
> long pages are prime candidates for searching, but the split records make
> this too hard.
Matto had a full-doc search working in 1.2, not sure where that went
though. You might want to try that version, if its still around, or whatever
the patches that made it work were. Check the list, it was in the last year
or so.
> You could append the page number to the URL and scan that.
*WE* can, but again, we don't control the content in most cases.
Sure, you can pull the page locally, correct those things, change the links,
validate it, etc. but you can't do that in an automated fashion for all
pges.
> And others as well. I know I'm not the only one.
You may not be, however, lots of people have mentioned it over the
years, and nobody has yet stepped up to help fix it, so it currently remains
a "feature" request until someone does.
In order of number-of-requests, here's what I've seen over the last
4-5 years of using Plucker:
1.) Clipboarding/cut-n-paste (now available in a Matto-patch)
2.) Smooth scrolling through a document
3.) Continuous scrolling (I've suggested one approach to this, which
doesn't break the scrollbar as it does currently, using the
proposed methods)
4.) Forms support (not as easy as you would think, logic changes)
5.) Native PocketPC version
There are others, but that is probably the quick Top-5 that we've
seen on the list, in personal email, and when talking to people in person or
at shows where they see us using it.
> Many people do not take or have the time to give feedback about software,
Then "Many" should not expect the software to improve to include the
features they believe are lacking. Without feedback, the developers probably
won't know that the feature is wanted, or even required. Bugs that go
unreported, aren't bugs, if the developers never see them.
> If they don't like a particular application, they simply don't use it.
> Some of the people I know don't want to use Plucker because of the split
> record issue. Why would they bother filing a bug report?
Then they shouldn't use it. Nobody forces people to use a particular
piece of software, especially in the Free Software space. Most of us do this
because we think it's interesting or fun in some way. I certainly don't work
on the projects I work on, because I want to please a userbase of some sort.
I work on them because I find them personally interesting or intriguing, or
they happen to fall within the range of my skills and curioisities.
Again, everyone else has different motivations, and I am not going
to try to pretend I can speak for the opinions and motivations of the
others.
> I wanted to check if bug voting was supported since all bugs I'm clicking
> on seem to have only 1 vote, but I lost my password and I see no way of
> retrieving it. (I tried signing on with a different ID but haven't
> received a password yet.)
Where is this Vote thing? Is that on the JPluck SourceForge page? I
think if you're having problems with signing onto SourceForge, they have a
facility to reset your password. I haven't used it in years now, so I'm not
sure what it is at this point.
> If my remark came off as a flame, I apologize. I was only reflecting what
> Mike said.
Understood. Also understand that there is a level of "language"
barrier between some of our developers and many of our users. Ask Mike,
there was a point early on in the Plucker story where both of us were going
to up and leave the project if we couldn't agree on a common set of "rules"
to work by. At this point I think we get along fine, and have made amends.
Though, in the beginning, I was a bit taken aback by the different methods
he used to communicate a point. Now I just laugh and shrug some of it off,
knowing that he's not trying to personally attack anyone.
> I would take a shot at it if I could, but I don't know the Palm API.
> Learning that will take some time I suspect. I know C/C++, though.
I would, but my plate overfloweth with other work, and I still
haven't been able to find a paying job yet.. 449 days. Ugh.
d.
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