Not sure if you're trying to flame bait me John J. but whatever :)
-- JD Austin Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek) j...@twingeckos.com On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:33 AM, John J. Macey <jjma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jd, > > I think your thinking is out dated. And, specious. From 10+ years ago > <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEFA9F546C9975EDD>. > > I find it amazing, that no one here will post their personal Blog / > Website address. > > I agree with Lisa, all the way. > [image: Image] > > John J. Macey / Wildwood, New Jersey > 480-242-1503/ jjma...@jjmacey.net > > Managing Partner - JJMacey & Partners - Biotech Office: 480-242-1503 / > 623-252-1441 / Fax: 623-252-1441 > 310 E. 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Anyone who communicates > with me, or my affiliations, by e-mail is deemed to have accepted these > risks. John J. Macey is not responsible for errors or omissions in this > message and denies any responsibility for any damage arising from the use > of e-mail. Any opinion and other statement contained in this message and > any attachment are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of the company. > On 12/02/2014 12:20 PM, JD Austin wrote: > > I'm a lurker on this list and haven't had time to go to an actual plug > meeting in years so take my input as you may... that said PLUG should take > these issues seriously because these are the kinds of issues that tear > apart organizations. > > When people take the time to cite specific examples and tell you that they > feel a negative bias towards them the wrong response is to deny their > feelings are valid. A major problem most clubs/organizations have unless > they make a concerted effort not to be is that overtime they get cliquish > and non-inclusive; unless an effort is made not to do so long time members > start to feel and act as if it is their organization and can seem like > dictators to new people. I haven't been involved enough in PLUG to know if > that is happening here but the emails flying around right now make it sound > like it could be that way. I've seen these kinds of issues destroy groups > before; I'm sure I'm not the only person that has no desire to be a group > that discriminates against women or any other body of people. > Linux is for everyone and has the most diversity of any operating system I > know. > > > -- JD Austin > Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek) > j...@twingeckos.com > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wil...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Definitely! Thanks for that. >> >> When asked what I would do with my pi, I mentioned I was going to do a >> Tor Relay. One member looked at me, laughed and said, Good luck with that. >> >> Another time, I was assisting someone with an install. The idiot next to >> me was flinching twitching and making grunting noises. >> Finally, I turned off the machine and said, "And what would you do?!" >> He made a suggestion which was what I actually had done already. >> The woman who I was assisting even said, "Isn't that what you were doing" >> >> Another incident was when I stated that one member of the installfests >> was rude and if Todd didn't take care of that, I would. I was accused of >> threatening this member when I was simply stating in front of a group of >> people that Mark was a rude arrogant problem that needed to be dealt with. >> >> Now, maybe, it's just Todd. However, I went to leadership who did >> nothing until I started making noise at a higher level. The noise wasn't >> even about the gender bias but the push on Ubuntu and the treatment of >> members. >> Incidentally, when I went to local leadership, he acted as if I were >> lying before any investigation. >> >> Women come to your meetings and then leave. Maybe the general >> population of the group do not realize why because so many people come and >> go from the PLUG. Maybe people think women cannot handle the content or >> that they are leaving because of other reasons. >> >> I was all but pushed out of your old boys club. In fact, Todd stated he >> didn't want me at the installfests. Was that because I was insisting on >> positive change or because I was female. You tell me? He laughed at me >> several times. Of course, he was not that nice to other members either. I >> never noticed him condescend to any of the males though. >> >> There is gender bias. Maybe not at your local meetings because it's >> just ALL LECTURE. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Shawn Badger <sh...@badger.pro> wrote: >> >>> I have been in the PLUG for a while now and have not seen any gender >>> bias. >>> Can you point to any examples of how the group is gender biased so the >>> group can work on those issues? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wil...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> hans, >>>> >>>> I am sorry you cannot take a joke. >>>> Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter. >>>> Accusations of this are quite serious. >>>> >>>> I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment. >>>> >>>> Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:44 PM, der.hans <pl...@lufthans.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am 01. Dez, 2014 schwätzte Kaoru Wilbur so: >>>>> >>>>> Well, this was an interesting thread. >>>>>> I would like to chime in here for a moment. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I have not experienced unwanted sexually advances by anyone at >>>>>> PLUG >>>>>> in recent years, I will state there is a gender bias, definitely. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some people may not experience this gender bias because, well >>>>>> frankly, we >>>>>> are unsure of your gender... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's uncalled for, especially right as you're claiming there is >>>>> gender bias. >>>>> >>>>> All joking aside, as a community, we really could be a little more >>>>>> thoughtful, tactful and less like assholes. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Most of us do a good job. Over the years there have only been problems >>>>> with a few people. Most adjust their behavior when it's pointed out. >>>>> >>>>> ciao, >>>>> >>>>> der.hans >>>>> -- >>>>> # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.PhxLinux.org/ >>>>> # "Every person who has mastered a profession is a skeptic concerning >>>>> # it." -- George Bernard Shaw >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings:http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >
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