actually,
there are other reasons for using an encrypted tunnel besides bit torrent. How 
about secure banking? or perhaps secure purchasing? mayhap even more secure 
email access. And yes, if there is a torrent I want to get (and it is perfectly 
legal too), I don't want my ISP pulling bandwidth throttling or bitching at me 
for supposedly downloading copyrighted materials when they aren't (yes, I have 
had this actually happen).

-eric

On Oct 4, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

> Well, I think we're talking about two different kinds of vpn:
> 
> 1) VPN for Remote Access.  Connecting to home, work, or some other form of 
> remote access to a given network.  I don't think that's what we're discussing 
> here, but if desired, openvpn as a server would be just fine.  I do that here 
> on my wrt router for remote access to my network, and use zerotier as a SDN 
> solution for networking between given hosts on any network as another more 
> convenient alternative.
> 
> 2) VPN for Hiding Yourself.  This is what I think we're mostly talking here, 
> which is using a VPN client to connect to a remote network, using recommended 
> services like PIA for making yourself appear to be leaving another country to 
> keep scavenger laywers at bay.  This uses usually either a Socks/HTTP Proxy 
> connection, or a full openvpn-based connection.
> 
> If you or anyone you know likes to bittorrent pretty much anything anymore, 
> do yourself a favor and use a (#2) VPN.  If you just want to remotely access 
> your home/work resources, #1 is what you want.
> 
> -mb 
> 
> 
> On 10/03/2016 09:17 PM, Stephen M wrote:
>> I agree with toddc.  If your starting to learn about VPN networking it's 
>> best to try a free option.  I had Zentyal installed on an old desktop that 
>> is collecting dust at the moment.  But I had OpenVPN working in home and it 
>> worked fine.  Sure I remoted into my home server once in a while but I was 
>> able to learn how to setup a VPN.  I was looking at tigerVPN a few years but 
>> and I've also looked into sshuttle.  I don't see a need for a big or pay fee 
>> VPN unless I'm doing something massive. For learning purposes do something 
>> small and in house before you go public.
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> I was really interested in tigerVPN and their lifetime deal they had 
>> recently on android                 central.
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Todd Cole <to...@azloco.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If you are just looking for a vpn to your home there are many free vpn and 
>> or firewall router vpns or even a Raspberry PI
>> makes a great home VPN server $35.00 or a old desktop would also work
>> also a lot of routers already include a Built in vpn of some kind
> 
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