They are very related Network QoS exists because there are limits in how much networking gear transmits packets and frames. There is a lot more to it than just writing the policy. There is a cost to engineer that out.
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It is not that simple in my mind. Network QoS is very different then the > possibility of the customers pay extra for additional services. > > Besides Netflix has cache devices that can and are frequently in local is > Datacenters to alleviate latency and Bw issues. > > And given the current fcc chairs attitude I am really skeptical. > >> On Nov 24, 2017 12:31 PM, "Herminio Hernandez, Jr." >> <herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I will start with some thoughts on why I find the NN debate troubling. First >> there is a technical misunderstanding. NN is built on the idea that ISPs >> should treat all traffic equally. This concept is simply unrealistic. >> Bandwidth is a limited resource there is only so much data that a Ethernet >> port can transmit and receive. Also things like MTU size, latency, jitter >> all impact the reliable transmission of data which bring me to my other >> point. Not all traffic is the same. There are night and day differences >> between TCP and UDP traffic. For example UDP (which is what most voice and >> video is) is faster than TCP. The drawback to this is that UDP does not have >> the recovery features that TCP has in case of packet loss (ie sequence >> number and acknowledgment packets). There UDP applications are more prone to >> suffer when latency is high or links get saturated. To overcome this network >> engineer implement prioritization and traffic shaping to ensure these >> services are not impacted. >> >> As more content is consumed such as 4K video on the internet, the need for >> traffic shaping will only increase. Netflix already has the ability to push >> 100Gbps from their servers. That is a ton of data that needs to be >> prioritized by ISPs. This is not free there are serious costs involved in >> man hours and infrastructure. Someone needs to bear that cost. This is why I >> am not opposed to fast lanes. If Netflix is going to have ISPs ensure all of >> the massive amounts to data are push is delivered efficiently, then the ISPs >> should be free to charge a premium for this service. Netflix does not want >> to bear this cost, hense their support for Net Neutrality. They want the >> ISPs to bear the cost, but then result of that is we bear the cost via data >> caps. >> >> When you strip away all the slogans it all comes down to money and control. >> Data will be traffic shaped it is just who decides how unelected government >> bureaucrats pushing some public policy or market forces. >> >> Something else to consider a lot not all but a lot of the very same people >> who cry that the end of Net Neutrality will be end of free speech (no more >> free and open internet) have no issue saying Twiiter, Facebook, and Google >> (since they are 'private companies') have the right demonetize, obscure, or >> even ban individuals who express ideas that other deem "offensive". How is >> that promoting a "Free and Open Internet"? >> >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> well, as someone else suggested, a new thread. >>> >>> so, shall we start the discussion? >>> >>> ok, as mentioned, bandwidth is a limited resource. the question is How >>> limited? >>> >>> Then there is the question: can an ISP curtail certain types of traffic >>> (null route it, delay it, other bandwidth shaping routines)? How far can >>> they go? >>> >>> What really is net neutrality? >>> >>> lastly, what part does the FCC play, or should they? >>> >>> so, any thoughts on the above questions? >>> >>> -eric >>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, you got questions, we got >>> answers Dept. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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