I think you forget that the neutrality was put into place specifically
to deal with the network providers messing with netflix among other
service's data in favor of their own services. That IS how we dealt
with it.
You keep talking about being able to get optimized services, but those
are legal and common now. Getting rid of net neutrality won't enable
those. Throttling your competitors services to the point of degrading
their service isn't an optimized service.
Brian Cluff
On 11/25/2017 07:24 PM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote:
I do understand those concerns, but those types of abuses have existed
in the past and were dealt with before there was Net Neutrality. I do
really think that the bigger threat from the big content providers and
not the ISPs.
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 7:12 PM, <techli...@phpcoderusa.com
<mailto:techli...@phpcoderusa.com>> wrote:
I hear you. If everyone would play fair I would think slicing up
data usage is fair. I watch a lot of YouTube, however I do not
need 4k. My main concern is for businesses who use the Internet
to market and do business. As you probably know there is a move
from brick and mortar to online stores and more so to selling on
Amazon.
If there is no net neutrality and GoDaddy invests in timewarner,
then timewarner could keep people from seeing your website that is
hosted on HostGator. Then Godaddy could coerce you into moving to
GoDaddy or pay a fee to GoDaddy or timewarner.
I see some serious antitrust coming. We need to get ICAAN back and
we need to keep the Internet the Wild West to some degree. I do
see Google is headed for some antitrust law suites, and maybe
Government oversight. Government oversight is scary given how
corrupt our Government is.
On 2017-11-24 12:31, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote:
I will start with some thoughts on why I find the NN debate
troubling. First there is a technical misunderstanding. NN is
built on the idea that ISPs should treat all traffic equally.
This concept is simply unrealistic. Bandwidth is a limited
resource there is only so much data that a Ethernet port can
transmit and receive. Also things like MTU size, latency, jitter
all impact the reliable transmission of data which bring me to my
other point. Not all traffic is the same. There are night and day
differences between TCP and UDP traffic. For example UDP (which
is what most voice and video is) is faster than TCP. The drawback
to this is that UDP does not have the recovery features that TCP
has in case of packet loss (ie sequence number and acknowledgment
packets). There UDP applications are more prone to suffer when
latency is high or links get saturated. To overcome this network
engineer implement prioritization and traffic shaping to ensure
these services are not impacted.
As more content is consumed such as 4K video on the internet, the
need for traffic shaping will only increase. Netflix already has
the ability to push 100Gbps from their servers. That is a ton of
data that needs to be prioritized by ISPs. This is not free there
are serious costs involved in man hours and infrastructure.
Someone needs to bear that cost. This is why I am not opposed to
fast lanes. If Netflix is going to have ISPs ensure all of the
massive amounts to data are push is delivered efficiently, then
the ISPs should be free to charge a premium for this service.
Netflix does not want to bear this cost, hense their support for
Net Neutrality. They want the ISPs to bear the cost, but then
result of that is we bear the cost via data caps.
When you strip away all the slogans it all comes down to money
and control. Data will be traffic shaped it is just who decides
how unelected government bureaucrats pushing some public policy
or market forces.
Something else to consider a lot not all but a lot of the very
same people who cry that the end of Net Neutrality will be end of
free speech (no more free and open internet) have no issue saying
Twiiter, Facebook, and Google (since they are 'private
companies') have the right demonetize, obscure, or even ban
individuals who express ideas that other deem "offensive". How is
that promoting a "Free and Open Internet"?
On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com
<mailto:eric.o...@icloud.com>> wrote:
well, as someone else suggested, a new thread.
so, shall we start the discussion?
ok, as mentioned, bandwidth is a limited resource. the
question is How limited?
Then there is the question: can an ISP curtail certain types
of traffic (null route it, delay it, other bandwidth shaping
routines)? How far can they go?
What really is net neutrality?
lastly, what part does the FCC play, or should they?
so, any thoughts on the above questions?
-eric
from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, you got
questions, we got answers Dept.
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