Well, from an accessibility standpoint, Ubbuntu is one of the better distros around. ORCA screen reader, BrlTTY, speak, emacsspeak and several others are available and even the initial setup is accessible. I haven’t tried this on arch yet and until I research it, I can’t give a qualified opinion on arch.
-Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dept of Research and Development. > On Mar 4, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Butash <mich...@butash.net> wrote: > > It's little things like that that make the distro to be honest. Don't piss > me off, don't die catastrophically randomly, don't upgrade and leave me at > some nebulous boot prompt. Ubuntu did that to me too many times, Arch has > been downright gentile by comparison, particularly for as complex a setup as > I have here. > > I'm fairly particular about breaking down os partitions, /, /boot, /var, > /var/log, /usr, /home, and anything else plugged in. I would always use > 200mb for my /boot, then some point kernels got huge and couldn't store more > than 3 on that. Leaving auto-upgrade on ubuntu for 6 months at a time would > fill the boot drive and start failed upgrades annoyingly, so something like > that in Fedora is appreciated. I've not trusted ubuntu auto-upgrades, or > ubuntu much at all since. > > Now I just throw /boot a gig, and typically about the same for EFI from > secureboot nonsense, so it works out. Arch doesn't normally keep multiple > kernels around, so not an issue here. > > I still have never liked RH-derivatives however, and still grimace using them > after 20 years. I did however install cent7 not long ago on my network test > rigs as the only distro that supported my 100gb nic drivers, and it didn't > seem terrible to use these days. Might try it sometime, but so far Arch > hasn't given me reason to ever leave it. > > -mb > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:39 PM Harold Hartley <wheelie...@ownmail.net > <mailto:wheelie...@ownmail.net>> wrote: > It’s good to get useful info on arch and I agree about Ubuntu as I also had > problems with it. > I now run fedora and have no problems with at all. I find updates pretty much > everyday with bug fixes and new files being installed. I even like how it > installs the new kernel and removes the older kernel that’s 3 versions back. > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 14:47, Michael Butash wrote: >> Arch is mostly precompiled binaries if using standard pacman repos, their >> standard package manager. >> >> Installing other package managers like yaourt introduce community repos, ala >> deb/ubuntu ppa repos, which may or may not just compile something on the fly >> for you if no binary package available. I don't think I've ever NOT found >> something I needed in pacman or yaourt repos under arch that I've had to >> compile manually, and both binary or compiling on the fly via yaourt have >> worked almost flawlessly. >> >> I've run Arch on my desktop for at least 2 years now, and it's been the best >> change I've made in a long while. Rolling upgrades are great, I've not >> encountered one failed upgrade with arch, vs. like every fscking time >> upgrading any ubuntu system that fails horribly, almost reliably, every >> time. I've run into a few upgrade issues, usually with a conflicting 3rd >> party package that has been replaced, but otherwise has worked flawlessly. >> >> That said, I can't make it work on my laptop to save my life, but I think >> it's more a matter of current kernel, grub, systemd, and various bits not >> playing nicely with my luks+lvm setup. If not requiring things like >> encryption and logical volumes, it's probably pretty easy to walk-through, >> but only for an advanced (or sadist newbie) user. >> >> Arch has been great once booting and working, I have half a dozen different >> DE's installed on here, and basically rotate between what one is less broken >> each upgrade,. A fault, not of Arch's so much the individual DE's that can't >> figure out high-resolution compositing, rotating between sucking or not. >> I've been using Mate for a distinct lack of compositing, which proves most >> stable. I just don't like the menu and a lack of type-to-search feature in >> it... >> >> I've tried switching off my laptop Ubuntu install as with 18.04 upgrade, it >> locked me into Wayland, which simply does NOT work with any other DE on it. >> I can't launch into KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, or anything else on it, they just >> fail at login - only Gnome3 (Ubuntu Bastard-Edition) works, with many, many >> problems that about make it infuriating to use. I've not hated a DE so much >> in a long time, thanks Ubuntu. but stuck as the only thing working on my >> laptop other than windoze my xps15 came with. I'll get frisky and try Arch >> again soon. >> >> Trick is finding a distro you like, your comfortable with, and doesn't >> randomly break with every upgrade. Ubuntu is NOT the latter, expect upgrades >> to fail you, this coming from someone living Ubuntu since 6.04. Other >> distros, ymmv. >> >> -mb >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:02 PM Harold Hartley <wheelie...@ownmail.net >> <mailto:wheelie...@ownmail.net>> wrote: >> > __ >> > I thought arch was just binary. Never knew they started having both. >> > If arch is offering a binary system, isn’t that a closed system and >> > doesn’t that violate open source license. That is my question. >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:58, Stephen Partington wrote: >> >> Arch if i am correct is both. and like Gentoo you can build as you >> >> install with the option of compile from source. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Harold Hartley <wheelie...@ownmail.net >> >> <mailto:wheelie...@ownmail.net>> wrote: >> >> > __ >> >> > The first part you said I couldn’t have said any better. >> >> > Now isn’t arch a binary system which has their system files and >> >> > packages in binary form. >> >> > That doesn’t leave much for fixing a problem on the system if it’s >> >> > binary files. >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:27, Stephen Partington wrote: >> >> >> Mostly it is just a personal preference. Sometimes it is related to >> >> >> the window manager. Sometimes it is the package manager. There are a >> >> >> number of reasons. >> >> >> >> >> >> I personally am torn between arch and Ubuntu (especially with their >> >> >> lite install option) I like both for different reasons. I have been >> >> >> considering moving to arch on my laptop. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 12:04 PM Aaron Jones <retro64...@gmail.com >> >> >> <mailto:retro64...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> > To entertain all the people who can't do Arch. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Le Troll Face.jpeg here >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Stephen Elliott >> >> >> > <tnflyfis...@live.com <mailto:tnflyfis...@live.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> What is the purpose of all these different distros? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:00 PM, >> >> >> >> > <plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> >> >> > <mailto:plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org>> >> >> >> >> > <plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> >> >> > <mailto:plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to >> >> >> >> > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> >> >> > <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> >> >> > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=qJghQhX9hWHCKzKKW9aBQO2zzPJ46052LA8aHlCqZm8%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=qJghQhX9hWHCKzKKW9aBQO2zzPJ46052LA8aHlCqZm8%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> >> >> > plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> >> >> > <mailto:plug-discuss-requ...@lists.phxlinux.org> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> >> >> > plug-discuss-ow...@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> >> >> > <mailto:plug-discuss-ow...@lists.phxlinux.org> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >> >> >> >> > specific >> >> >> >> > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 1. Re: Phoenix Linux (Matthew Crews) >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Message: 1 >> >> >> >> > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:15:37 +0100 (CET) >> >> >> >> > From: Matthew Crews <mailingli...@mattcrews.com >> >> >> >> > <mailto:mailingli...@mattcrews.com>> >> >> >> >> > To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> >> >> > <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Phoenix Linux >> >> >> >> > Message-ID: <c07a8f64-f2ad-bc77-5bcd-1227c27d2...@mattcrews.com >> >> >> >> > <mailto:c07a8f64-f2ad-bc77-5bcd-1227c27d2...@mattcrews.com>> >> >> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On 3/1/19 6:18 PM, der.hans wrote: >> >> >> >> >> moin moin, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have seen references to this, but for the first time went and >> >> >> >> >> looked. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Phoenix Linux - based on lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphoenixlinux.weebly.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=gbDmb4Xv3bBpMO%2By4qtTA2sPhge2s82e39Mx3Daj%2F0M%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphoenixlinux.weebly.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=gbDmb4Xv3bBpMO%2By4qtTA2sPhge2s82e39Mx3Daj%2F0M%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Has anyone tried it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ciao, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> der.hans >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I haven't tried it, but it looks like a hobby respin of Lubuntu, >> >> >> >> > but >> >> >> >> > with none of the support (and lagging behind upstream by a >> >> >> >> > significant >> >> >> >> > margin). >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Hobby distros, especially hobby respins, are a tough sell for me >> >> >> >> > because >> >> >> >> > of the lack of support. I'd normally prefer to stick to upstream >> >> >> >> > (in >> >> >> >> > this case, Lubuntu). >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The same person responsible for Phoenix also makes Feren OS, >> >> >> >> > which is >> >> >> >> > based off of Linux Mint (and in the process of rebasing to Ubuntu >> >> >> >> > LTS). >> >> >> >> > Feren is relatively well received and does have a support >> >> >> >> > structure, and >> >> >> >> > looks fairly nice. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> >> >> >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >> >> >> > Name: signature.asc >> >> >> >> > Type: application/pgp-signature >> >> >> >> > Size: 833 bytes >> >> >> >> > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature >> >> >> >> > URL: >> >> >> >> > <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fpipermail%2Fplug-discuss%2Fattachments%2F20190303%2F22561458%2Fattachment-0001.sig&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=a1CDo73PR2qUDpuKqP2uHdFA5MkwgUnr1dtAkxfO2pE%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fpipermail%2Fplug-discuss%2Fattachments%2F20190303%2F22561458%2Fattachment-0001.sig&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=a1CDo73PR2qUDpuKqP2uHdFA5MkwgUnr1dtAkxfO2pE%3D&reserved=0>> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Digest Footer >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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