Well,
I unbundled from phone and cable tv as I don’t use them much. I use cox 
business internet here with guaranteed bandwidth (according to contract). At 
$86 monthly, it gives me access to anything else I might need (like streaming 
services, voice over IP, etc).

For the cost of cable tv, I can have 3x the channels with chromecast from 
google at about 1/2 the cost. As far as phone goes, magic jack still works and 
it’s interface is easy for us blind hackers.

Oh, and I don’t have caps on downloading or bandwidth usage on business class 
either.

-Eric
From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Business services dept.

> On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:07 PM, George Toft via PLUG-discuss 
> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> 
> I've had CenturyLink and now have Cox.  I would still have CenturyLink if 
> they would have given me a discount when my promotion was up - they refused, 
> so I switched to cox.  When I called up to cancel the service and return 
> equipment, they suddenly found a 50% off for 2 years discount code.  Too late 
> - that ship sailed.
> 
> Cox has me so bundled up that to split the video from the Internet from the 
> phone and just go with Cox video and CL internet will cost me more than what 
> I'm paying now, and the Cox video features were better than CL at the time I 
> switched.  It was literally like stepping from the 20th century with CL into 
> the 21st Century with Cox.
> 
> In the end, in my opinion, bandwidth is good, but latency is king, but QoS 
> trumps everything.  I have a co-worker who has been having problems with his 
> provider in Prescott Valley.  They implemented "a fix" that drops him offline 
> for 23 seconds at 10:00am every day (sounds like rebooting a router).  I also 
> know Cox' service seems to vary from neighborhood to neighborhood, and I got 
> lucky as I have had no problems, except bandwidth from my gamer kids who have 
> to download 25-100GB of games every week.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> George Toft
> On 1/26/2021 6:16 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Streaming media is indeed a set bandwidth, but the headroom that a faster 
>> connection gives will hel offset the more bursty downloads without stalling 
>> or impacting the streaming         content.
>> 
>> Having had cox and century link gig fiber century link has been the better 
>> experience so far. And for concurrent streams fiber has been far more 
>> graceful and I think that the latency was a portion of it. 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021, 4:54 PM AZ Pete via PLUG-discuss 
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> I would think hard about upgrading to a "faster" plan.
>> The Wall St. Journal did  a study that basically said you gain no advantage 
>> for streaming media by upgrading to a faster plan. 
>> The WSJ article is behind a pay wall, but this article summarizes the 
>> results.
>> https://medium.com/gowander/quick-take-wsj-the-truth-about-faster-internet-its-not-worth-it-c73d79a616b9
>>  
>> <https://medium.com/gowander/quick-take-wsj-the-truth-about-faster-internet-its-not-worth-it-c73d79a616b9>
>> 
>> I've been working from home since last March when Covid started. I have two 
>> kids. One is in high school who is on Zoom all day for school. The other is 
>> streaming Pluralsight/Youtube/Coursera all day doing self-learning to become 
>> a software dev. I'm a DBA and am on all kinds of video calls/meetings 
>> throughout the day as well as transferring large files to/from my local 
>> network. My wife works remotely as well (altho not very many video 
>> meetings).  In the evening the kids are streaming movies/Youtube/video 
>> games/Discord/etc. With all this streaming going on I've never experienced 
>> any noticeable lag/dropouts in streaming or video conference calls. However, 
>> we consistently *almost* reach our 1.25TB cap each month. I have the Cox 
>> "Internet Preferred" plan (100Mb down/10 up). Since we are using a lot more 
>> data I'm considering upgrading our data cap (but not the speed).
>> 
>> As far as the redundant ISP idea, I too worry about this. But my plan in the 
>> event of an ISP outage is to use my mobile phone as a hot spot. It'll work 
>> in a pinch to get me by until the outage is resolved. I've only ever 
>> experienced short outages with Cox, so having a backup ISP seems like a lot 
>> of wasted money in my opinion. But, you have to assess you're own situation 
>> and make the decisions that work for you.
>> 
>> Something to consider....
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/26/2021 3:49 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> Am 26. Jan, 2021 schwätzte Mike Schwartz so: 
>>> 
>>> moin moin Mike, 
>>> 
>>>> OT: Off topic ... Hi from an old timer ... plus, a Question 
>>>> 
>>>> Please forgive me if I have been "out of radio contact" for too long. 
>>> 
>>> Yeah, it's been a while :). 
>>> 
>>> I believe both CenturyLink and Cox are offering Gigabit if you're in the 
>>> right part of town. At least Cox puts a data maximum on it. I believe 
>>> someone pointed out that a true gigabit connection can hit the monthly 
>>> maximum in a few hours. 
>>> 
>>> I was switching ISPs about the time that the pandemic started, so just 
>>> kept the old connection. I'm on one connection for dayjob and the family 
>>> uses the other. 
>>> 
>>> Since the pandemic has started both ISPs have had multi-hour outages, so 
>>> it's been handy to have a spare. Paying for two connections is a lot 
>>> cheaper than not getting paid due to overloaded bandwidth :). 
>>> 
>>> ciao, 
>>> 
>>> der.hans 
>>> 
>>>> (as in ... the "Wolf Brand chili" slogan) 
>>>>   (see, e.g., 
>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Wolf+Brand+chili%22+slogan&t=h_&ia=web 
>>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Wolf+Brand+chili%22+slogan&t=h_&ia=web> 
>>>> OR ... just click over to the "[[Slogan]]" *section* of the Wikipedia 
>>>> article about "Wolf Brand chili" ... at 
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Brand_Chili#Slogan 
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Brand_Chili#Slogan> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> * * * Question: * * * 
>>>> We upgraded our ISP service (at home) when my wife started working from 
>>>> home ... around the beginning of the pandemic. It is still "DSL", -- 
>>>> through "CenturyLink" -- but supposedly it is now FOUR times faster than 
>>>> it 
>>>> used to be, (it "had been" ... for * * * *years. ** * *) 
>>>> 
>>>> I think we need something faster now. (We have 3 adults ... and make use 
>>>> of 
>>>> [either Zoom or "Google Meet" or something similar] a lot lately. 
>>>> 
>>>> Any advice? 
>>>> (including, whether or not we should have more than one ISP, just to be on 
>>>> the safe side?) 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance, ... 
>>>> 
>>>> Mike Schwartz 
>>>>    [elderly] timer 
>>>>    I may be in the Plug-Discuss archives ... if they [still] go "WABAC" 
>>>> ... 
>>>> Glendale  AZ 
>>>> schwa...@acm.org <mailto:schwa...@acm.org> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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