This particular thread is completely off topic. Everyone is entitled to
their opinions, but this is not the place to discuss them.
As for offensiveness. The plant isn't even built yet and people are
automatically assuming/voicing things that can't be taken any other way
than to know their a racist. There's nothing being said based on
facts... the plant isn't even completed yet, and likely very few people,
of any race, are hired for any day to day positions at this point. So
the most you can say right now is that it's a sweat show because it's
being built in 115 degree weather. Anyone sharing similar offensive
opinions to those previously stated needs to ask themselves if they
would watch people going into a job and get mad if they weren't white or
as they would put it American. The Reality of the situation is that
only around 60 percent of Americans are white, so you'll end up a very
angry individual if you think like that since just over half wouldn't
fit their view of who they thought should be walking in that door.
In any case, all of this is completely off topic of Linux and/or
computers in general and needs to be taken somewhere else.
Brian Cluff
On 7/16/23 14:14, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms. Everything today is
political and I do not blame folks for having negative opinions on
this subject.
I agree "People coming from other countries are still people.".
However we let way too many people in. No need to import a bunch of
Taiwanese so we can subsidize Taiwan at the expense of the AMERICAN
taxpayer.
I'll try to stay on course.
1. Why did the US Government just subsidize the chip industry?
- I think it was so the folks in congress could grow rich and some
think some of this cash makes it's way back to the those in offices.
2. How did Nancy Pelosi get so rich? Some think it was the insider
trading. She entered office 30 years ago and was worth $3 million.
Today she is worth $300 million. I think that is why she wanted to be
speaker - to direct policy in such a way to make her rich. Her
husband got caught investing in the chip industry just as congress was
voting on the gift they were going to give to the chip industry. He
immediately pulled out of those investments.
Lets talk about Bill Gates and the H1B system. It is my understanding
Gates is the number one user of H1B. I understand he continues to
complain about a shortage of qualified labor. What has he done to fix
the problem? Lobby Congress for more.
Why has Gates failed to create the best tech college in the world and
identify the best of the best in AMERICA and train them?
John F. Kennedy said it best "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For
You..."
I know we try to stay away from politics on this list and I know I am
probably one of the most outspoken. We are in a bad place as a
nation. If we stay the course we will lose this country soon. We do
not live in a vacuum.
On 2023-07-16 13:26, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Am 07. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:
This is highly offensive and completely inappropriate.
People coming from other countries are still people.
PLUG has had members from many countries throughout the group's history.
We currently have members from several countries. No one should have
to deal
with discrimination within our group.
I will ignore the inaccuracy of the statements because being wrong is
inconsequential compared to the offensiveness.
ciao,
der.hans
I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a
load of
H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people will
line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly to
escape while they still can before China says No. Like most any one
here
on visa, they'll drop a kid at first chance, then in like Flynn...
I guess someone has to clean the toilets though for local work
still, if
that isn't roboticized too by now.
-mb
On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD. He was talking
to one
of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the
local jobs
TSMC will create. She assured him that was not the case - most of the
workers will come from Taiwan.
This may very well be the case if an American won't work in a
sweatshop,
but a *Taiwanese will for the opportunity to work in America.*
Regards,
George Toft
On 6/7/2023 1:59 PM, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's
just
someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll
probably
hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get
all the
people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at a
company that
got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of the new
employees
because they didn't have a structure that worked with professionals.
Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview on CNBC about the
need to
extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough workers. At the very
least,
there's plenty of incentive to drive down labor costs. And with
the halts
for new housing going out, there is a LOT of incentive to
manipulate the
market.
Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass.
On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read that
Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John Wilkes
Booth.
On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
sweatshop....
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