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From: bob.el...@gmail.com
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: RE: OT: Redmond
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:04:22 -0700








And lets not forget about DRM and the logs that Vista/Win7 
will be keeping.
 
I can't wait for DRM, it's mind boggling trying to make 
decisions of what I want to watch or listen to, DRM takes those hard decisions 
out of my hands and tells me I shouldn't be watching or listening to, this will 
make my life so much easier.
 
And if one of those nasty unallowed files does sneak 
through, and I forget about it, win 7s hidden log files will make sure no one 
else does.
 
It just make life so much easier  
:-)
 
 



From: 
plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe 
Fleming
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:07 PM
To: Main 
PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: OT: Redmond


I don't know that they are specifically targeting 
that market. I mean, most of the netbooks run vista already. Run over the Fry's 
if you don't believe me..... all of their netbooks on display are running 
vista. 
It was enough to make me not want to buy any of them, but I digress. I've read 
the m$ has claimed that the reason most of them can't is because of the lack of 
storage space, a problem that 7 clearly doesn't solve.

As for the storage 
space, my Ubuntu install is using about 10GB right now. Of course, that's with 
an office suite, a webserver, a few websites, my email, a bunch of pictures and 
documents accumulated over the 2 years it's been installed (over 3GB in my home 
directory right now)...... that's kind of the same, right? I mean, kinda, 
right?

For the life of me I can't understand how the hell they use up so 
much space for JUST the operating system! As an aside, I read that IE8 uses 
more 
memory that the whole of XP too. Crazy.

-Joe

keith smith 
wrote: 

  
    
    
      
So can we speculate that M$ is making Vista/win7 less 
        resource intensive so it can compete in the netbook 
        environment.

I understand it takes up about 10 Gigs of 
        space.  

Would be nice to have an O/S that requires less and 
        is more efficient.  Maybe we can recycle some old hardware 
        :)


------------------------
Keith Smith




--- On Fri, 1/16/09, 

        Josh Coffman <joshcoff...@gmail.com> 
        wrote:

        From: 
          Josh Coffman <joshcoff...@gmail.com>
Subject: 
          Re: OT: Redmond
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Date: 
          Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:59 AM


          From what I hear, and this is from .Net devs who 
          are running win7, its described as "Vista without the crap". It 
          performs nearly as fast as WinXP and with far lighter hardware 
          requirements than Vista. (which isn't hard)  From the screenshots 
          I've seen, it has a lighter look and feel that Vista, but that's just 
          "make-up".  I'm going to make a vmware machine with it so I'll 
          see for myself.  Since it will be on the same machine (mac) as my 
          WinXP vm (which I do use a lot), I'll be able to compare them 
          easily.

Vista was a near daily frustration, either I've gotten 
          used to the pain or its gotten a little less painful. Probably both. 
I 
          still don't like Vista. I have to deal with it though. So I hope Win7 
          is better, a lot better, because windows a part of my job. 

As 
          an aside, I use Vista, WinXP, and Mac OSX a lot. Ubuntu holds itws 
own 
          againts all of them. I've read some people think Win7 is a linux 
          killer (speaking of the netbook market). I don't buy that at all. 
          

-j


          On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Joe Fleming 
          <j...@selectitaly.com> 
          wrote:

          
            I'm really curious what all the fuss over 
            windows 7 is all about. I mean, it's just vista with a few changes, 
            and from what I can tell those changes are pretty small. I always 
            think it's funny seeing sites talk about how bad vista is and how 
            much better 7 is, considering it's really nothing more than a point 
            release/service pack with a new name. Apparently m$ actually DOES 
            know how to play the marketing game. It'll be interesting to see 
how 
            it's received by consumers and the press when it's finally released 
            I guess. Me, I still don't have any problem running XP; works 
            beautifully in VirtualBox ;).

-Joe

James 
            Finstrom wrote: 
            I like to imagine it is because I am 
              important or that its because I went to church with many 
Microsoft 
              cube gnomes when I lived in Washington but none of these things 
              are true simply because I am on a Microsoft Spam list I got an 
              invitation and license to download and play with Windows 7 beta. 
              So let me share the expierience and overview so far I like things 
              with the word free even if it is only as in beer and only for a 
              short time, Anyhow with fear and the smell of danger that 
              acompanies all things that say Microsoft and Beta in the same 
              typography I clicked the shiny banner answered a few questions 
and 
              got a key + link.  the minimum requirements say 1Gig ram and 
              128M video  and blah blah something something okay whatever 
              click.... Anyhow the download comes up says this could take 
              several days depending on your provider and the download size 
              is...... 2.44 GIG holy redhat batman I need to go buy a dvd to 
              burn this down to, well so much for free. Anyhow it is chewing up 
              some bandwith that can be better allocated but I am going to grab 
              it if for nothing else just to see if http://xkcd.com/528/  is 
              true...

James Finstrom
Rhino Equipment 
              Corp.


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