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John Doe - mcp ccse naacp aamco Seriously... A lot of companies still want a+ but simply need monkeys who can plug in wires. I would often rather teach an intuitive newb than deal with a certified idiot who knows how to pass tests. Just my 3.14 cents On 6/28/09, Larry Lauer <re...@msn.com> wrote: > I just realized that when I first sent this my phone didn't reply to the > list. Sorry David for the multiple copies. > > > > Hi all I have just been a list voyeur for awhile. I was wondering if others > are pursuing any Linux certifications now and if there are any study groups > -classes going that you may know of. Thanks. > > > > I also have collected over the years some certs from Novell, Cisco, sans, > M$.... It has cost a ton but I think that it has been worth it by getting me > interviews and jobs. Now I want to focus on Linux and security more. > > > > I think employers also see a certification as your potential to follow > through with what you start and a basic understanding like David said. > > > > Enough of my rambling. Thanks. > > > > -Larry > > Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed > > > > > > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of David > Munson > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:15 PM > To: Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: Certifications as a means of gaining knowlage > > > > Certifications can be useful for getting your foot in the door when you may > not have the experience yet. Granted, most certifications say you should > have X amount of time doing Y type of work, but I had very little experience > with the subject matter when I passed the A+ and Network+ certifications. > When I go after a certification, it's because I'm looking to get a handle on > the basics for jobs related to it, and because it's something to point to > when I talk to HR about my qualifications. > > > > Additionally, certifications SUGGEST that you have a certain level of > knowledge about a set of topics. I can spend six months doing network > support work and never learn a thing about fiber if I'm at a small business, > but a Network+ certification SUGGESTS that I at least know the difference > between SC and MTRJ connectors, as well as single-mode and multimode fiber. > > > > To put it in fewer words, certifications are good for covering the basics of > a subject, and might get you an interview, but it's the actual experience > that'll probably land you the job. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Bryan O'Neal <bon...@cornerstonehome.com> > wrote: > > I too do not believe certifications are worth much. With the exception of a > selling point to customers who don't know better or to help lower your > insurance premiums. That said they CAN be a good path to focus your > learning and gain knowledge however that knowledge is not usually worth more > then a few months of intensive on the job training. > > On a side note I am mojor pet peve, in that I hate companies that requier > certain certifications for emplyment... If I were to colect ever cert I have > seen "requierd" for job I was otherwise well qualified for I would have to > spend about two years and about $100K to obtain them. At which point I could > get a few years of use and then have to repeat the process ;) > > If you want your people to have a prticuler cert you higher the person and > make continued employment contengent on getting the cert. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Lisa Kachold <lisakach...@obnosis.com> > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Steve Phariss <sphar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Question to the group. > > I know that certificates in and of themselves are not a good indicator of > skill. But are they a worthwhile goal for knowlege sake? In particular, I > have been faced with a couple jobs that required Vertualization skills. I > have very little enterprise experience with vertulization so was concidering > taking a bootcamp course that concludes with a vertulization cert (Certified > Virtualization ExpertT -CVET) > > Does anyone have any experience with the CVE or Bootcamp classes in general? > > > Steve > > In the old days, we had what were considered "academics". These were the > people who could stand around and spout a million useless details about > technology, but in the actual trenches, had no if/then/therefore logical > skills. They were like autistics, in that they could memorize rote, but it > often seemed as if the people who actually could excel at the times when > someone had to pull raw intelligence and creativity out of a hat, they > failed horribly. > > The people who actually had to work in the fields often found the > certifications to be far from what was required to actually master a subject > - epic fail for those selling technology or selling management that > certifications were actually a good gauge of mastery. > > So, what started to happen was people who actually were deeply immersed in > technology started to attend bootcamps which were given often during a > convention, where a full immersal of the student into the subject matter's > pure "academics" would occur, whereupon all the useless facts that are never > used when implementing and maintaining the technology get retained just long > enough to pass the certification. In this way, everyone could give a Class > A subnet answer (even in the days when everyone only used Class C > subnetting) for instance for a Cisco CCNA (which I obtained in 1999). > > I certified in IBM High Speed Networking Technology in the 1980's at USBank, > and it was a complete exercise in rote memorization. I certified on > Websphere V in 2006, and nothing had really changed; little on the test > actually translated to being able to manage application servers in any real > world shop. > > I doubt very much this has changed with regard to Virtualization quizzes - > except that Linux certifications are generally excellent (especially the > RHCE - which is a complete PRACTICAL test, no reference materials are > allowed, and the student must master the subject on a virtual slice or real > machine during the test). A RHCE is sold to businesses as a way to get a > cheaper rate on their RHEL licenses. I was hired in a contract gig to build > new application servers (8 Prod/Dev + 1 database all Dell 1950's 2850's) and > clean up Apache security and little Linux issues while they sent their > Microsoft staff to RHCE Fast Track school (Choicehotels.com): > > http://www.supershareware.com/info/whizlabs-rhce--red-hat-linux-certificatio > n--exam-simulator.html > http://www.scribd.com/doc/16314048/RHCE-Red-Hat-Certified-Engineer-Linux-100 > -Success-Secrets-on-RHCE-Linux-Test-Preparation-Study-Guides-Practice-Exams- > Braindumps-Certification-Exa > https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/?s_kwcid=TC|3636|rhce||S|p|3282576 > 651 > <https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/?s_kwcid=TC%7C3636%7Crhce%7C%7CS% > 7Cp%7C3282576651> > www.linuxlearningcentre.com/content/prepguide.pdf > > The RHCE fast track (5 day type of bootcamp) is the best way to certify as > well because Linux people generally don't require a 3 month class, and > simply get in and do things quickly to grasp a course: > https://www.redhat.com/courses/rh300_rhce_rapid_track_course_and_rhce_exam/ > > > Certifications have been critisized for being "marketing manipulation" > rather than actual gauges of skill. For instance, a company will sell > certifications when a product is big, and require certifications for cheaper > rates. > > But if you don't already have a good history with certifications and your > goal is simply to get a grasp of the technology, a certification is suspect, > as a solution. > > Currently virtualization providers are fighting it out over a "new hot > market". And the technology is relatively young (unless you are IBM). So, > Microsoft, XEN and Vmware --- you get the idea from the "Products of the > Year 2008": > > > > > GOLD AWARD: > > VMware ESXi 3.5 U2 > <http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/productsOfTheYearWinner/0, > 296407,sid94_gci1345772_tax312925_ayr2008,00.html> > VMware's free ESXi leads the virtualization platform market by continuing to > offer the greatest functionality and highest value of all hypervisors > available on today's market. > READ MORE > <http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/productsOfTheYearWinner/0, > 296407,sid94_gci1345772_tax312925_ayr2008,00.html> > > > SILVER AWARD: > > Microsoft Hyper-V 1.0 > <http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/productsOfTheYearWinner/0, > 296407,sid94_gci1345773_tax312925_ayr2008,00.html> > "Microsoft's standalone Hyper-V is a great option for a free hypervisor," > one judge wrote. "I give Microsoft a lot of credit for such a strong new > showing." > READ MORE > <http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/productsOfTheYearWinner/0, > 296407,sid94_gci1345773_tax312925_ayr2008,00.html> > > > BRONZE AWARD: > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.2 > <http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/productsOfTheYearWinner/0, > 296407,sid94_gci1345774_tax312925_ayr2008,00.html> > If Linux is your bag, then the Xen-based virtualization bundled with Red > Hat's enterprise offering is a high-performance virtualization option and > excellent value, judges reported. > READ MORE > <http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/productsOfTheYearWinner/0, > 296407,sid94_gci1345774_tax312925_ayr2008,00.html> > > > > I would get a general linux certification before I would get a > virtualization certification. > > And since you are asking, I would point you to the RHCE. > > (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com > scientology.obnosis.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
