As an ex-Canadian, I can give you several specific personal examples of why moving towards the Canadian more socialist health care model is NOT desirable. (Eg I got tainted blood transfusions at the very same time that 2 hours drive away in New York state, the blood was being screened!)
As someone who knows a US vet, I can give you a specific example of why you should NOT TRUST the government to mess any more with your health care. (eg his foot became infected with a diabetes-related issue, and he had to fight them to keep them from cutting it off!!!) Kaia > > I agree our health care system is not as good as it > could be. I worked for an HMO 12 years ago and saw it first hand. > > > > We need freedom not restriction. We need to be > free of the current model of health care. I feel the model is > alternative health care backed by a indemnity health insurance plan. > A plan that lets you go to the doctor and pay them directly. An > insurance plan that makes you responsible for 20% of your charges. ... > backs and have government fund health care and let businesses stop > paying the obscene amounts for health care. Taking the insurance Regards, Kaia Taylor DevSA group -- tis-dco-devsa - jumpword devsa http://dco-sps.schwab.com/sites/devsa/welcome desk 602-977-5157 pager 6025785...@messaging.sprintpcs.com or white pages All e-mail sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Craig White <craigwh...@azapple.com> wrote: > From: Craig White <craigwh...@azapple.com> > Subject: Re: ****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 6:21 PM > On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 17:33 -0700, > keith smith wrote: > > > > So pumping trillions of dollars into special interest > projects is how we save the economy. > > > > Saving GM was about the democrat party buying > votes. Look who owns GM now. This is I did you a favor now you owe > me a favor type of politics. > > > > Not to mention this is more than likely > unconstitutional. Have you read the constitution lately? The federal > government is allotted very little especially when you read the 10th > Amendment. > > > > I wonder if I get my credit card out and run it up to > the limit if I will end up better off? > > > > The free market has not failed. The government > has failed in trying to manage it and our money supply ECT. > > > > Lets look at one simple sector of our economy. > The housing market. The housing market is where the down turn in our > economy started. And it all was mostly in the Phoenix area. > > > > Did you know the housing market is in a state of > recovery in Phoenix. How would I know about this. I am trying to buy > a house. While houses are at 30% - 50% lower in price now than 2 > years ago, houses are being bid on and competition has returned. The > government has had little to do with the recovery in the Phoenix > housing market. It has been through private investment. > > > > One thing that has been neglected is that markets > adjust. It is natural. When the government gets involved the > problems are exasperated and I believe will ultimately be made worse. > > > > Hyper inflation is projected to be in our > future. > > > > When I make statements about government needing to be > pruned to the tune of 85% all I have to do is look at the Arizona > government that has grown 60% in the past 5 years. 60% in 5 years. > > > > What is our state government doing today that we now > know that we were deprived of before 2004 ? > > > > It has been said that Bush spent more during his > tenure than all the presidents before him combined. Obama is going to > make what Bush spent look like pocket change. > > > > This alone is an indicator that government need to be > timed back substantially. > > > > Sales tax in California is now 9.75%. Almost 10% > of everything bought in California is tax at one tenth. That is > outrageous. And they are still having budget problems. > > > > Talking about budgets, when we cannot balance our > budget government spending is out of control. > > > > I believe that reducing taxes and the size and scope > of government will spur economic growth. > > > > Let the people vote with their dollars. Let them > own and carry guns, as long as they have proven to be responsible, let > them eat cheese burgers if the choose, let them chose their doctor and > their insurance plan. > > > > I agree our health care system is not as good as it > could be. I worked for an HMO 12 years ago and saw it first hand. > > > > We need freedom not restriction. We need to be > free of the current model of health care. I feel the model is > alternative health care backed by a indemnity health insurance plan. > A plan that lets you go to the doctor and pay them directly. An > insurance plan that makes you responsible for 20% of your charges. > > > > Lets un-handcuff our medical professionals so they can > do what they do best. > > > > Lets un-handcuff our businesses. You are self > employed. How do you feel every quarter when you send in your taxes? > I feel cheated. > > > > I think freedom is the answer. So did our > Founding Fathers. > ---- > you are all over the map. > > The National Debt went from less than 2 trillion to over 10 trillion > under Bush. > > There's no suitable prediction for what the net effects of Obama's > efforts will yield. The destruction of the world economy and a > depression perhaps larger than that experienced in the 1930's was > probably if the government had not stepped in and propped up some of > these companies. If you have an argument to make about that, by all > means make one. The fact is we printed money to fight an expensive war > in Iraq that we couldn't afford and pumped up the economy on a false > housing bubble that burst because there was no oversight over the > lenders and the bundling of the loans. I personally lay this at Bush's > feet. > > Chicago is 10% sales tax > NY, NY is 9+% sales tax > by the time our own state government gets through, we will be above 9% > > The freedom of which you speak is a platitude. It has no basis to the > reality of our current economic conditions, all caused by lack of > government oversight into lending and the bundling of the securities > bundles created with these terrible lending practices. Free market is > the problem not the solution. > > If you want to spur economic growth, take the monkey off businesses > backs and have government fund health care and let businesses stop > paying the obscene amounts for health care. Taking the insurance > companies out of the equation saves at least $400B annually. Then > businesses can compete. Small businesses can no longer afford to > purchase health care for their employees. It has become obscenely > expensive. > > Craig > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
