We do what we did on Nov 2nd. We vote and we speak out. We push for the reduction of our Government and we become aware of what the judges are doing and get the right judges in place by recalling or impeaching the wrong ones. And keep pushing the Constitution in their face.
The nation, or at least a remnant of the people need to become informed and continually challenge our government. To me the solution is very simple. Implementation will take a lot of effort. It took us 45 years to get here, it might take as long to get back to a more reasonable Government. There are lots of things one can do. Become informed. Call your 2 senators weekly and your congress person weekly as well. Get to know your state legislators also. Most people have a cellular phone and a commute to and from work. A 5 minute call several times a week lets your reps know how you feel about certain things. If they are not inline with your values then challenge them to re-think their position. This country belongs to us not the bureaucrats. We need to get that across to them so things will change. We sent an message on Nov 2nd and some heard. Some apparently did not and will have to hear from us some more before they get it. Are you aware of state's sovereign rights under the 10th Amendment and what is going on in Montana, Utah, Texas, and here in AZ? There are other state that are embracing the 10th Amendment also. We should see more activity in this area over the next 6 moths. There is a movement going on. The more people that get aboard the sooner we will see change - *real* change. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Fri, 12/17/10, Lisa Kachold <lisakach...@obnosis.com> wrote: From: Lisa Kachold <lisakach...@obnosis.com> Subject: Re: OpenBSD and the FBI To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 7:27 PM What are your choices? Microsoft got into bed with the NSA in the late 1990's. IPSEC was developed by the NSA. Currently even Random entropy is broken? Entropy is the basis of all cryptography which we layer over all of our currently broken Darpa developed internet protocols? Since 2001, we cannot even gain information about our own intelligence files from the federal government due to the post 911 Presidential or Executive Order. Be assured that even if you use a "Anonymous browser" that a great deal of information about you is available to the DHS through cross reference databases, Akamai caching, and internet taps. Cisco, Google and other companies interact with the NSA also. The Army is developing a private cloud APC2 for information gathering; India and USA-NSA are collaborating on data collection and mass databases. References: Entropy: http://artofinfosec.com/53/got-entropy/ http://blog.nelhage.com/2010/03/security-doesnt-respect-abstraction/ http://www.infosecurity-us.com/view/6915/eff-launches-web-browser-entropy-tool/ http://www.windowsecurity.com/uplarticle/4/keylength.txt Bruce Schneider on Key-Length and Entropy http://services.netscreen.com/documentation/signatures/SSL%3AOVERFLOW%3AKEY-ARG-NO-ENTROPY.html http://tools.cisco.com/security/center/viewAlert.x?alertId=16183 http://www.iss.net/security_center/reference/vuln/DNS_Cache_Poison_Subdomain_Attack.htm FOFA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_%28United_States%29 NSA: http://bgol.us/board/archive/index.php/t-76887.html http://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_encryption_systems http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/usa/nsa.htm http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message21863/pg1 http://www.jareds-blog.com/?p=224 http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/cloud-saas/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226300299&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_Government http://internetandwebsecurity.blogspot.com/2010/08/usibc-to-launch-inaugural-homeland.html http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?database=fpds&reptype=r&detail=-1&datype=T&sortby=f&maj_fund_agency_cat=70&fiscal_year=2008&sum_expand=C and for fun: http://akamaicomputersandgadgets.com/cray-nsa-supercomputer-thinkink-mashine/ And in case you have not been pulled out of your comfortable idealistic sedation by any of this, check out these simple, publicly available tools: SSLSTRIP GST Hole #196 Vulnerability If I can see your information, imagine what the big NSA/DHS computers have? ALL of your online actions (porn, viagra, sedition or gun trading, financial banking, insurance, mortgages, public records) are all instantly available to government staff neatly organized in areas of probability for accurateness and given tags for various cross referenced and tracked things (chomo, drugs, politics, guns). Of course up until the 1990's/2001, a great deal of misinformation went into the mix; people pled to charges rather than fight them because there was no consequences really [No employment background check or public records anyone could get with $39.99], and innocent people have gotten six degrees of involvement with Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms; or kiddy porn (sharing a house with someone surfing shared computers); but the data does for the most part allow the Feds, State and local investigators to enforce the peace (or did you think they didn't actually watch people before arresting them)! ALL of your movements via your auto license plate are tracked via PLATE readers. ALL of your movements via your Passport are tracked via RFID readers (they contain a chip/strip). Good luck with your idealism. A good deal of money has gone into developing all this, BECAUSE IT WAS NEEDED. A good deal of money is expanding it now internationally, BECAUSE IT IS NEEDED. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:07 PM, keith smith <klsmith2...@yahoo.com> wrote: I wonder where we would be today id someone had told our founding fathers "get over it!" and they had said "Yeah your right." and had given in. The government is here for us not the other way around. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Fri, 12/17/10, Lisa Kachold <lisakach...@obnosis.com> wrote: From: Lisa Kachold <lisakach...@obnosis.com> Subject: Re: OpenBSD and the FBI To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 5:13 PM On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:12 PM, keith smith <klsmith2...@yahoo.com> wrote: I would not doubt something like this could happen. Our rights are being eroded moment by moment. If this were to happen, this would clearly be a violation of our Fourth Amendment rights. I just read an article that for the first time since the government has been wiretapping everyone's calls a judge said a warrant was required for every wire tape. 3 judges prior sided with the government and rules no warrant required for a wiretap. Now back to OpenBSD. Why OpenBSD? Why not Linux? Or maybe Linux has been compromised too? At least there is the hope that some wiz kid will determine if this is true. I know this list runs the gamut when it comes to political beliefs. And I respect that. I think one thing we can agree on is we need to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Fri, 12/17/10, Jordan Aberle <jordan.abe...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Jordan Aberle <jordan.abe...@gmail.com> Subject: OpenBSD and the FBI To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 2:37 PM Interesting information: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2 Jordan It's actually a great deal worse than you might think. I am sorry I am not at liberty to divulge the technical details but be advised that NSA and DHS "backdoor" access is available from IPSEC, JAVA, Microsoft Explorer and M$ Systems, and all of the various means for which a standard BACKTRACK user could gain access [i.e. everything] without consequences. Be advised that EVERYTHING you type or do on your systems regardless of your OS, when logged into ANY browser, is completely available to any government staff. 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