Ok, maybe I was not completely clear. To stay on point, my statement was not
about whether it was valid or about who was doing what.
My point was IF all 50 states decided to secede then who will stop them and I
was drawing a contrast between the Civil War and what potentially is going on
today.
The Civil War was possible because there were states who seceded and there were
states that stood with the Federal Government. This is a much different
situation. IF and I say IF all 50 stated really decided to secede who can stop
them? That was my point.
I agree most people, to include myself, do not want to secede, however you must
read between the lines. This is a warning to the Federal Government to get
inline with the Constitution or further action will be taken.
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Keith Smith
--- On Thu, 11/15/12, Joe Gibbs <joegibbs...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Joe Gibbs <joegibbs...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 3:21 PM
I call that statement bull crap.
Just because someone created a petition does not mean that all/most of the
residents want to give up.
Personally for a joke I could create a petition for those states that I don't
like and then watch the fear-mongers start clicking yes.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, keith smith <klsmith2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way. Who will
fight against it? The President, his cabinet, the House, Senate, and the
Supremes?
This is different. This is all the states against the federal government. The
federal government gets it's power from the people. If the people withdraw,
then there is not federal government.
The states created the federal government. If all 50 states walk there is not
federal government to fight to keep the 50 states together.
Very different.
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Keith Smith
--- On Thu, 11/15/12, Robert Holtzman <hol...@cox.net> wrote:
From: Robert Holtzman <hol...@cox.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:31 PM
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote:
>
> The Declaration of Independence states: "Governments are instituted among
> men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
> whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
> the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new
> Government."
>
> Over the past few days,
petitions have been started in all 50 states to
> secede from this now marxist-socialist "union."
IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs
ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was
called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost.
..........snip.........
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