Awesome !! I have been exclusively using linux for close to a decade, but the points mentioned by Amarendra make complete sense. I am a linux user because it is the "right tool" *for me*, not because MS Windows is "bad/evil" I am thinking of moving to OSX because it is *nix under the hood, and all the "right tools" are available for OSX as well. (cost of hardware is holding me back, but not for long)
-Mandar On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Amarendra Godbole < amarendra.godb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Milind, > > Though I understand the desire and need to be "in control" of your > life and your software, which is a laudable goal, I am confused at the > anti-Microsoft stance taken by many FOSS people, since it deflects > slightly from the original goal of being "in control" - Microsoft is > not the only software company that makes "proprietary" software, but > you also have Apple, Google, IBM, HP, Lenovo, Nvidia, Hitachi, > Toshiba, VMWare, Citrix, and pretty much EVERY company in the world > that in the business of software. I don't see such hue and cry against > Apple for instance. Linux happily accepts closed0-source drivers > ("binary blobs"), so shouldn't those driver manufacturers be in the > same boat as Microsoft? Are you willing to throw out Apple, and others > from India? > > Secondly, the common man uses "right tools for the job" -- have you > considered if Linux provides the right tools in every instance to > replace those produced by Microsoft? Consumers are way smart than you > or me think, and they precisely know what software fulfils their needs > - and they go for it. There is a big lesson there itself -- make the > "right" tool and adoption shouldn't be a problem. Have you ever > thought too much choice may be a big problem? Hell, Linux has dozens > of distros', equivalent number of desktop look and feel, which only > makes the geek happy. Guess what? Consumers are confused, and they > look at Apple and Microsoft to provide a single user-experience, that > can seamlessly transcend releases and work exactly the same way each > time. Maybe FOSS should focus on unifying their tools and experience, > rather than breaking it into BOSS and tons of other distros. And that > seems to be the single-largest failure for Linux to displace several > popular operating systems - lack of a unified strategy. Of course, I > am not denying other innovative ideas that were born from Linux. So > no, considering the lack of unified strategy, lack of support (BOSS > Linux has support?), and lack of "right tools", the adoption will > remain stable as it was a decade ago. > > Where are the replacement "right tools"? > - How do you propose to replace the extensive supply-chains, and other > public utility systems that are deployed on Windows? > - How do you propose to replace the extensive manufacturing systems > that are deployed on Windows? > - How do you propose to replace the extensive life-critical software > in hospitals that is deployed on Windows? > > As for "your language", I think Linux got it all wrong. The computer > was invented in English speaking countries, the software was invented > in English speaking countries, so it goes without saying it has a > strong English lineage. Its much easy to adapt to a new language, than > adapting the tool to your local language. Do you modify a hammer > because it doesn't fit the grooves of your hands? Localizing it for > mass adoption is a good idea, provided everything else first functions > flawlessly. Linux focused on localization too early, and the i18n > layer made it more unstable, as well as buggy - not to mention it > scares every developer shitless (ask anyone who has had to deal with > wide-character array operations). If you don't believe me, check the % > of code dedicated to i18n/l10n efforts in any Linux utility, as > against a BSD utility, and you'll get the idea. I guess it is more > important to focus on getting the job done right, than such secondary > features - one reason why consumers repeatedly reject Linux. > > <rant> > If you really want freedom, the BSD license is as free as it can get. > And nobody in the BSD world carries the moral baggage around, they > actually focus on quality of their work. No wonder the *BSD, even > though providing less features, are rock solid operating systems - the > way it should be. > > And slightly on a tangential, why is this burning desire to be "in > control" of software? Do we know or force "full disclosure of > internals" of the medicine we take, or the LED TV set, or the car that > we drive, or heck the airplane we fly in? By the FOSS yardstick, all > these consumer products should make their designs and internal details > open and available for tinkering..., else one should not be using it. > And if this happens, you'll actually be turning the clock backwards > for Indians!When we are comfortable handing our lives to Airbus or > Boeing, and don't make a hue or cry about it, making such cry about > software doesn't seem quiet right. > </rant> > > So no, I am not signing the petition. Linux, simply, is not the "right > tool for the job", and it is buggy. I choose to spend my time being > more productive, and Apple and BSD satisfies that need. Crying about > Microsoft being evil and proprietary when I use several other > proprietary forms in my daily life is being hypocrite. And I hope > Indian Government focuses on the right tools for the job, and if > Microsoft provides them, so be it. (BTW, your petition provides no > shred of evidence for Microsoft's corruption, apart from the licensing > fees, which can hardly be called corruption. Your argument about this > amount could be used for public good doesn't hold ground, since most > softwrae systems for public good are actually deployed on Windows - > moving them to Linux would require order of magnitude investment.) > > -Amarendra > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Milind Oka <oak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree all your points but how many Indians will understand them ? > People > > have been using different linux distros in IIT's and in research > institutes > > for past 10 years > > and giving lectures on FOSS but it has no effect on the country's > mentality. > > > > My simple point is kick Microsoft as early as possible by any means. For > the > > time being, call the OS as Bharat OS! The site name is indeed > > www.bosslinux.in > > > > Do you want to say Microsoft follows all the ethics in trade practices ? > > > > Everything is fair in Love & War and it is a War against Microsoft & > > Corruption ! > > > > I hope I have given sufficient justification. > > > > Pl. sign the petition and help our country in this regard as much as > > possible. > > > > regards, > > > > Milind > > > > > > > > On 11-04-2015 08:31, Mayuresh wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 06:51:35AM +0530, Milind Oka wrote: > >>> > >>> It is another Linux Base OS localized for 18 Indian Languages. They > >>> (CDAC) have improved the kernel also > >>> according to their claim. > >> > >> So, is it not more appropriate to call it <youe flavor> Linux? Like most > >> other flavors do? (Say Bharat Linux?) > >> > >> Android doesn't call itself Android Linux, which could be debated in > >> itself. For the sake of argument it is because of heavy customization > for > >> different kind of devices. > >> > >> What would be the justification for BOSS to not use Linux as its last > >> name? And if the justification is that they did something drastically > >> different grounds up, a purely technical question is why was it needed > >> (i.e. isn't Linux sufficiently flexible already to create a localized > >> flavor?) > >> > >> Mayuresh > >> _______________________________________________ > >> plug-mail mailing list > >> plug-mail@plug.org.in > >> http://list.plug.org.in/listinfo/plug-mail > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > plug-mail mailing list > > plug-mail@plug.org.in > > http://list.plug.org.in/listinfo/plug-mail > _______________________________________________ > plug-mail mailing list > plug-mail@plug.org.in > http://list.plug.org.in/listinfo/plug-mail >
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