On 5/17/06, Cocoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
shaito,
the real problem as many of the posters have noted is your 128mb ram. you can, in theory get a decent machine/speed running with just that--- gui and all like firefox or open office goodies at a decent speed. but like i said in my previous post, you'd really have to know a lot of which stuff goes into the kernel--- like enable the i/o scheduler for example and get that pre-emp kernel stuff running. tips and tricks that you could learn but adds to your learning curve. some distros have that enabled. others don't. which means you'll have to at least have to know how to compile a kernel and as a newbie--- i wouldn't recommend it. but if you're up to the challenge, why not right? just expect to be frustrated a lot.
dude another problem lies in that fact that the easiest way to install linux the first time is to install all--- bells and whistles and learn from there. know what you like and what you need. 128mb ram just won't hack it. 256 will be slow. trust me. i tried running off 256mb ram on a pentium-m 1.5ghz centrino machine using opensuse 10 beta--- it was slow. but i builit a gentoo box on it and its response under the same spec is amazing. i mean not scientific response--- user perception as to how quick it feels. i got a full desktop up and running in two days (downloading of source files and building every basic thing from the ground up and i did some short cuts) when i've gone through red hat, debian, mandrake, ubuntu, vidalinux, kororaa, and many others and i've settled with gentoo.
on the one hand if you use gentoo on a p3 with 128mb box--- will take you at least a week just to get things going so for a newbie it really isn't the best way to go. it will just frustrate you and you will go crazy doing it. but it is not impossible to do.
my best suggestion, if you have the space/machine use a more modern machine with at least 256mb ram or better yet 512mb. try all sorts of distros--- and find one you're comfortable with because as you can see from all the posts, we all have our little preferences based on our need, experiences etc. etc. after getting your feet wet, playing around with an older box with limited resources will be much easier. ;)
hope it helps.
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From: "Jed R. Mallen" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:48:25 +0800
Subject: Re: [plug] Re: linux desktop distro
On 5/17/06, Happy Kamote Foundation < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sa sobrang rami ng distro. parang wala nang standard for linux
> desktop. tapos sasawsaw pa ng kung ano ano. tapos magsasabi kayo na
> "ang hirap mag advocate ng desktop sa linux" Imbes na mag-fork nalang
> ng YET ANOTHER LINUX DISTRO, bakit hindi nalang ninyo ilagay ang oras
> at pondo niyo sa ibang bagay? Anyway tax naman natin yun. Wala rin
> palang mangyayari.
A standard linux? Sounds scary :) You're missing the whole point dude.
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From: "Andre John Cruz" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List" < [email protected]>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:49:47 +0800
Subject: Re: [plug] Re: linux desktop distro
in fairness to the bayanihan linux makers, i think it's a noble effort to create one that's geared towards the philippine/education setting. in my perspective though, i'd rather use the more common or well-supported distros like ubuntu because it allows me to patch security updates and keep track of upgraded packages more easily than by compiling the stuff by myself. i'm sure the others here will have their own reasons for using such and such distro or for compiling/rolling their own.On 5/17/06, Happy Kamote Foundation < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On 5/17/06, Zak B. Elep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/17/06, Happy Kamote Foundation < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > yun ngang bayanihan e, dating redhat ngayon ubuntu na. hahaha.
> > ubuntunihan linux!
>
> Correction: Bayanihan currently is based off Debian Sarge, not Ubuntu.
*cough cough* ah okay! edi sige! hindi na ubuntunihan linux,
debianihan linux nalang! wakekekeke!
>
> What's more, there's nothing wrong at all to have or make a new
> distribution, geared for a particular culture or otherwise; the number
> of GNU/Linux distros is still far far smaller than the total world
> human population. :P
oo nga naman. wala naman talagang problema kung gumawa ka ng sarili
mong distro. PERO gaya gaya lang naman nangyayari e. Ano ba ng edge ng
bayanihan against the other debian based distros like Ubuntu, Xandros
? Parang ang nangyayari, ang nagiging edge lang niya is, yung logo.
Iba kasi ang logo. HAHAHAHA
Sa sobrang rami ng distro. parang wala nang standard for linux
desktop. tapos sasawsaw pa ng kung ano ano. tapos magsasabi kayo na
"ang hirap mag advocate ng desktop sa linux" Imbes na mag-fork nalang
ng YET ANOTHER LINUX DISTRO, bakit hindi nalang ninyo ilagay ang oras
at pondo niyo sa ibang bagay? Anyway tax naman natin yun. Wala rin
palang mangyayari.
Ok mali na kung sa mali. Correction. Debianihan Linux pala. hindi
ubuntunihan! wekekekekekekek!
>
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:31:25 +0800
Subject: Re: [plug] Debian versus other distro
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:29:55AM +0800, Jed R. Mallen wrote:
> Debian yes, but just on a desktop. I'm just a hobbyist. Servers....
> hrm... OpenBSD? (v3.9 is out :)
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:41:49 +0800
Subject: Re: [plug] Re: linux desktop distro
On 5/17/06, Happy Kamote Foundation < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/16/06, mnisay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > how about a distro of our own :)
> >
what do you mean of "our own"? bayanihan o bagong distro from scratch?
>
>
> nanaman?! isang katutak na nga ang linux distro sa mundo sasaw ka pa ng isa pa.
>
> yun ngang bayanihan e, dating redhat ngayon ubuntu na. hahaha.
> ubuntunihan linux!
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Subject: Re: [plug] XMPP Deployments and Uses
On 5/17/06, Ariz Jacinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it's a tyical DoS where the machine is ovewhelmed by the
> request regardless if it's XMPP, SMB, HTTP, et.al. better
> use the "karma" wisely to avoid flooding.
>
So this "should" be addressable by infrastructure and system design,
right? What I'm concerned about really is whether the nature of the
actual protocol causes or contributes to the "DoS'ability" of the
service, which can be the case.
At any rate, the insights are most appreciated. Thanks very much. :)
Any other people with experience with XMPP deployments and can talk
about it without breaking an NDA? :D
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:22:27 +0800
Subject: Re: [plug] Re: linux desktop distro
On 5/17/06, Happy Kamote Foundation < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/17/06, Zak B. Elep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 5/17/06, Happy Kamote Foundation < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > yun ngang bayanihan e, dating redhat ngayon ubuntu na. hahaha.
> > > ubuntunihan linux!
> >
> > Correction: Bayanihan currently is based off Debian Sarge, not Ubuntu.
>
>
> *cough cough* ah okay! edi sige! hindi na ubuntunihan linux,
> debianihan linux nalang! wakekekeke!
Ouch. You serious, man?
> oo nga naman. wala naman talagang problema kung gumawa ka ng sarili
> mong distro. PERO gaya gaya lang naman nangyayari e. Ano ba ng edge ng
> bayanihan against the other debian based distros like Ubuntu, Xandros
> ? Parang ang nangyayari, ang nagiging edge lang niya is, yung logo.
> Iba kasi ang logo. HAHAHAHA
Identity is the word you want. Bayanihan is more than just a logo --
it's an effort for a Philippine-based distro, hopefully contextualized
for the needs of the Filipino community.
>
> Sa sobrang rami ng distro. parang wala nang standard for linux
> desktop. tapos sasawsaw pa ng kung ano ano. tapos magsasabi kayo na
> "ang hirap mag advocate ng desktop sa linux" Imbes na mag-fork nalang
> ng YET ANOTHER LINUX DISTRO, bakit hindi nalang ninyo ilagay ang oras
> at pondo niyo sa ibang bagay? Anyway tax naman natin yun. Wala rin
> palang mangyayari.
Uhm, LSB[0]? The Tango Desktop Project[1]? Both worthwhile
undertakings, all in the spirit of open source.
> Ok mali na kung sa mali. Correction. Debianihan Linux pala. hindi
> ubuntunihan! wekekekekekekek!
You gotta be kidding.
(Slinking back to my cave now...)
[0] http://freestandards.org/en/LSB
[1] http://tango-project.org/Tango_Desktop_Project
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:37:15 +0800
Subject: Re: [plug] Serve pages faster with Apache's mod_cache
On 5/17/06, Ariz Jacinto < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> if you want to check it out for yourself then, recompile your httpd with
> the following options:
>
> --enable-cache --enable-disk-cache --enable-file-cache --enable-mem-cache
You don't have to do this in Debian's and Ubuntu's `apache2', since
they have this enabled by default (as well as tons of other options,
see the source's `debian/rules' file.)
Also worth noting is Danga Interactive's memcached system[0] that was
used by LiveJournal; Sean Chittenden's libmemcache[1] provides a C API
lib of it (which I maintain in Debian ;)
[0] http://www.danga.com/memcached/
[1] http://people.freebsd.org/~seanc/libmemcache/
Cheers,
Zakame
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