Good evening Rogelio,

I think that ASLR bruteforce you are talking about is either the
Phrack article or the ACM paper . In real world applications specially
in network daemons it would generate lots of noise. With the Linux
kernel's logging
<http://blog.eonsec.com/2007/12/segmentation-fault-logging.html> and
Grsec's logging it should not get pass by any good admin's radar.

So it is not useless, but weak. However a defense mechanism stacked
over another will only help hamper the bad guys.

   Ed <http://blog.eonsec.com>

On Jan 16, 2008 5:26 PM, Rogelio Serrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> thats before the use of PIE "position independent executables". now
> pageexec is preferred. specially for cpus with the nx bit. 64 bit is
> the best for this. ASLR is useless in 32 bit. it can be brute forced
> in as little as 26 seconds.
>
> this can only be fixed after xorg is hit with a security cluestick and
> fixed xorg to not need /dev/mem. or you
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