Should probably move this thread to PHNOG Mailing-list [email protected] do good stuff Dan On Jul 2, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Dan Sweeney wrote:
> Thanks Zak, > > Most of the ISP's in the PH peer locally one place or another.. but PLDT is > sort of the hold out.. > > The bottom line is maximum IP network consumers in the PH (approximately 68%) > reside within PLDT's network control. > >> From the information I have it seems that for hosting commercial >> applications (cloud based or otherwise) a Content Delivery Network could set >> up in almost any and they should BUY a link to BTN (AS3491) asPLDT peers >> with them to get bits into AS9299 (PLDT). > > Given the costs of ePLDT Vitro, PHIX, Globe MK2, ETPI, DataOne etc etc add > infinitem add nausea one would have to compare them and add in the cost of a > link to BTN or Reach. > > BTN is also a *related* company to Reach (AS4637) which is another option > locally (over at RCBC Towers in Makati). I'm not exactly sure how BTN and > Reach deal with each other business wise (kinda like I-Gate/Infocom and PLDT) > but both BTN and Reach are part of the Hutchinson holdings from HK Telecom.. > > Anyways.. though dated 3 years ago the link posted shows how ePLDT/PLDT and > Globes networks are set up.. however NOTE IN DIAGRAM the VIX router DOES NOT > ALLOW TRANSIT. Its not an exchange router.. its ePLDT's border router. There > is a significant difference. > > http://www.noaccess.com/~dsweeney/Y_Cache_PH.jpg > > Do good Stuff > Dan > > > > On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Zak Elep wrote: > >> Great posts! Guess that really confirms my understanding of how our ISPs >> today push our packets around ... >> >> On Jul 2, 2011 2:13 PM, "Dan Sweeney" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Oh yeah.. and whats weird about all this is that the 198.32.172.0/24 block >>> shows AS9821 which belongs to DOST-PH-AP >>> >>> Go figure.. >>> >>> Do good stuff >>> Dan >>> On Jul 2, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Dan Sweeney wrote: >>> >>>> Well... >>>> >>>> As 198.32.172.0/24 is a block PLDT (AS9299) hands out from PHIX (AS7707). >>>> >>>> Ping: >>>> >>>> They filter ping from other networks (outside of AS9299) going into AS7707 >>>> so its not likely if your not on PLDT myDSL, PLDT Corporate or Smart >>>> Broadband. >>>> >>>> Traceroute will work up to the point the traffic transitions into PLDT's >>>> AS but will most likely die at that point. >>>> >>>> As far as Globe Tatoo (AS4775).. They NAT (and if your on their WiMAX >>>> DOUBLE NAT) you getting to the outside world.. so thats the first strike >>>> against performance. >>>> >>>> Globe doesn't have a direct peer with PLDT worth mentioning in the >>>> Philippines.. So you reach them buy going OUT of the Philippines and thru >>>> some public IX >>>> >>>> So from Globe AS4775 backbone tracing to 198.32.172.140 dies at: >>>> >>>> Tracing the route to 198.32.172.140 >>>> >>>> 1 124.6.180.117 [AS4775] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec >>>> 2 120.28.0.137 [AS4775] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec >>>> 3 120.28.0.178 [AS4775] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec >>>> 4 203.177.3.5 [AS4775} 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec >>>> 5 * * * >>>> 6 * * * >>>> >>>> Basically when it hits the transition point going out of Globes network >>>> icmp is filtered. >>>> >>>> From SkyBroadband: >>>> >>>> traceroute to 198.32.172.140 (198.32.172.140), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets >>>> 1 192.168.100.1 (192.168.100.1) 1.242 ms 1.308 ms 1.121 ms >>>> 2 * 114.108.230.1 (114.108.230.1) 47.098 ms 25.536 ms >>>> 3 ge-1-4.sj1.skybroadband.com.ph (114.108.192.153) 15.177 ms 18.800 ms >>>> 16.102 ms >>>> 4 * 10ge1-1-0.gw.sj.skybroadband.com.ph (114.108.192.133) 71.260 ms 39.370 >>>> ms >>>> 5 202.78.121.2 (202.78.121.2) 24.924 ms 92.842 ms 18.963 ms >>>> 6 202.164.168.221 (202.164.168.221) 27.052 ms 93.345 ms >>>> po14.ccore.rsv.bayan.net.ph (202.78.96.186) 21.440 ms >>>> 7 202.164.168.221 (202.164.168.221) 16.651 ms 10.807 ms * >>>> 8 * * 13.91.0.202.mix.static.eastern-tele.com (202.0.91.13) 171.043 ms >>>> 9 * * * >>>> >>>> Same thing.. hits the transition point and dies.. >>>> >>>> From ETPI >>>> >>>> Tracing the route to 198.32.172.140 >>>> >>>> 1 97.17.85.115.ids.service.eastern-tele.com (115.85.17.97) [AS 9658] 0 >>>> msec 0 msec 0 msec >>>> 2 rar-a.g1-11.corenet.eastern-tele.com (120.89.5.53) [AS 9658] 0 msec 4 >>>> msec 0 msec >>>> 3 82.128.50.116.corenet.infra.eastern-tele.com (116.50.128.82) [AS 9658] 0 >>>> msec 0 msec 0 msec >>>> 4 mix-9658gw.manilaix.net.ph (202.0.91.18) [AS 9670] 4 msec 0 msec 0 msec >>>> 5 * * * >>>> 6 * >>>> >>>> Notice that Both SKyBroadband and ETPI think the best way to PHIX >>>> 198.32.172.0/24 is via MIX (ETPI's IX). >>>> >>>> From noaccess in Santa Clara California: >>>> >>>> raceroute to 198.32.172.162 (198.32.172.162), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets >>>> 1 sj1-e1-0.net.noaccess.com (193.72.216.1) [AS15096] 0.398 ms 0.389 ms >>>> 0.387 ms >>>> 2 v601.core1.fmt2.he.net (64.62.142.145) [AS6939] 0.642 ms 0.872 ms 1.072 >>>> ms >>>> 3 * * * >>>> 4 * * * >>>> >>>> dies again.. >>>> >>>> And since the resource is available it seems that we should look at going >>>> OUT from a machine inside PHIX in the 198.32.172.0/24 block >>>> >>>> I have done so and its filtered at the border between PHIX (AS7707) and >>>> PLDT (AS9299) even though PLDT basically controls both networks. >>>> >>>> So you will probably die at 121.127.0.53 (I think the gateway router >>>> between PHIX and PLDT). >>>> >>>> I'm to lazy today to hook up PLDT myDSL link but basically if your not in >>>> PLDT's AS9299 or InfoCom (AS7629) you'll most likely get pretty dismal >>>> performance trying to reach anything in PHIX. >>>> >>>> Do good stuff >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:41 PM, John Osena wrote: >>>> >>>>> 198.32.172.130 >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________ >>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> _________________________________________________ >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > _________________________________________________ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
