One of my primary concern is, will it hurt among us if we develop or utilize such software/application that can be very useful for our daily routine or work, but can be used also for cyber crime? Let say, for example, I use uTorrent, the Law is too broad and it might mean that they are only hunting for copyrighted material that can be used illegally, but hey, it doesn't state right there and this law might be used against us deceitfully.
Honestly, this bill raises so many concerns and it can lead also to unlawful arrest or an unfair verdict to every one of us hit or strike by this law. Like for example the cybersex offense, it says, "(1) Cybersex. — The willful engagement, maintenance, control, or operation, directly or indirectly, of any lascivious exhibition of sexual organs or sexual activity, with the aid of a computer system, for favor or consideration." So two lovers, let say, named "Pedro and Petra" are both remote and wants to express some love, now if they got caught, both are "willfully engage, and both are exhibiting sexual organs or sexual activity, and both are in favor or considerate of such acts" then they commit the offense more than crime like gambling, cheating husbands/wife, and perhaps even more worse than rape since rape trials leads to many years than this one, you're caught, and you'll be cleared of such an offense, imprisoned of 6 years and has a bail of PHP 500,000. IMHO, having a cyber crime law is very ideal for me but they should have a very profound research and consultation with IT experts, scientist and engineers and must have group meetings because the cyber space is too broad and imagine, we all know how fast the technology upgrades everyday, and this can cause some troubles in our daily routines, difficulties, future studies, research and engineering, even education is hurt by this law. We can not think of anything immediately as of now, but this law has a huge grey area and has a lots of loophole that you can even use it for people who have less education and less knowledge in IT and just lure them until they fall into the bait and use this bill against such committed crime which is very dangerous. It does connotate grief to people who might commit this crime for such simple wrong doing in compared to other crime that is more, in fact, dangerous and harmful to us. I think what we can do is support for petition and the government must have to refine this and be subtle and more direct and particular areas, not by generalizing things that can hurt ordinary people, else, all jail in the Philippines might be fully book. On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:36 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send PLUG mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: PHL Cybercrime Law: Say goodbye to torrent and > file-sharing (Michael Janapin) > 2. Re: PHL Cybercrime Law: Say goodbye to torrent and > file-sharing (Jubert Ledesma) > 3. Re: PHL Cybercrime Law: Say goodbye to torrent and > file-sharing (Michael Janapin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 08:45:01 +0800 > From: Michael Janapin <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [plug] PHL Cybercrime Law: Say goodbye to torrent and > file-sharing > To: "Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > caer6voguelje3rpwnobpvk4k2ao5mu5qakdam_i5vhxwf4m...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > They can censor all they want and throw everything against cyber freedom, > yes, including kitchen utensils, but it won't make the problem of piracy go > away. > > I'm just alarmed that this law might restrict distribution of legit > torrents (e.g., linux distros, opensource applications, etc.). > > Anyway, there are several ways to skin a cat... if p2p would go, then a new > way of distributing content would be created and implemented. > > Just my one-and-a-half cents. > > > >> > >> On 9/29/2012 5:11 PM, Danny Ching wrote: > >> > >> Torrenting copyrighted materials had always been wrong. This law, bad > as it is, > >> did nothing to further criminalize copyright infringement. > >> > >> I think the scary part is the libel bit. > >> > >> Danny Ching > >> > >> On Sep 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, toytoy <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> > I think this news is VERY INTERESTING at all. > >> > > >> > > http://www.interaksyon.com/infotech/phl-cybercrime-law-say-goodbye-to-torrent-and-file-sharing > >> > > >> > We have a law now that is worse than USA. Imagine we are a third > world country > >> > and its hard for us to afford to buy e-books and software or other > stuffs that > >> > gives us interest and use our potential to learn and be innovative > (which > >> > government can benefit from that). > >> > > >> > At least, in our time, we experience downloading e-books thru > torrent. If this > >> > law will be implemented, now its hard for the youth or next > generation to be > >> > resourceful because all file sharing are block (will this include > DropBox, > >> > Google Drive, etc.?). Also most of the Filipinos don't have credit > cards to > >> > buy online stuffs, IMO this law gives us a huge barricade that would > hurt our > >> > future in learning or for being innovative. > >> > > >> > I do work at home, or telecommute, and it seemed to me that this > might hurt my > >> > job and the sense of my initiative might suffer impediments. > >> > > >> > If we'll just let this happen, then good luck to all of us. > >> > _________________________________________________ > >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________ > >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing Listhttp:// > lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________ > >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > > -- > Rev. Michael R. Janapin, Th.D. > Academic Dean > PBTS Baguio City, Philippines > http://mulingsilang.wordpress.com > http://www.pbts.net.ph > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/private/plug/attachments/20121001/8cfbd0ca/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 11:09:36 +0800 > From: Jubert Ledesma <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [plug] PHL Cybercrime Law: Say goodbye to torrent and > file-sharing > To: "Philippine Linux Users' Group \(PLUG\) Technical Discussion List" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I think the Libel part is just the tip of the iceberg. They are > stepping... no.. its much more like trampling on everyone's rights and > freedom. For them to port sniff us is just too much. They can see and > listen in on anything we do without any warrants. Making port sniffing > legal for the government to use to check up on us is like making wire > tapping legal. Who made them big brother? Another scary thing is that our > Telcos utilize VOIP technologies which means once it hits the NET they can > also monitor your calls and they can easily say that they did not wiretap > but was in compliance of the Cybercrime Law. It does sound like it is an > E-Martial Law when you think about it. Once the government looks in to > everything we do and one slip can and would lead you to jail term. > > I think our group should take part of the campaign against this Law which > steps on our freedom not just of speech but in the whole sense. > > This law is just too much. Paranoid or not, I am now setting up > encryptions for my mail and chat applications. I do not want anyone > listening in on my personal things not even if it is the government. > > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Michael Janapin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > They can censor all they want and throw everything against cyber > freedom, yes, including kitchen utensils, but it won't make the problem of > piracy go away. > > > > I'm just alarmed that this law might restrict distribution of legit > torrents (e.g., linux distros, opensource applications, etc.). > > > > Anyway, there are several ways to skin a cat... if p2p would go, then a > new way of distributing content would be created and implemented. > > > > Just my one-and-a-half cents. > > > > > > > > On 9/29/2012 5:11 PM, Danny Ching wrote: > >> Torrenting copyrighted materials had always been wrong. This law, bad > as it is, > >> did nothing to further criminalize copyright infringement. > >> > >> I think the scary part is the libel bit. > >> > >> Danny Ching > >> > >> On Sep 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, toytoy <[email protected] > >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> > I think this news is VERY INTERESTING at all. > >> > > >> > > http://www.interaksyon.com/infotech/phl-cybercrime-law-say-goodbye-to-torrent-and-file-sharing > >> > > >> > We have a law now that is worse than USA. Imagine we are a third > world country > >> > and its hard for us to afford to buy e-books and software or other > stuffs that > >> > gives us interest and use our potential to learn and be innovative > (which > >> > government can benefit from that). > >> > > >> > At least, in our time, we experience downloading e-books thru > torrent. If this > >> > law will be implemented, now its hard for the youth or next > generation to be > >> > resourceful because all file sharing are block (will this include > DropBox, > >> > Google Drive, etc.?). Also most of the Filipinos don't have credit > cards to > >> > buy online stuffs, IMO this law gives us a huge barricade that would > hurt our > >> > future in learning or for being innovative. > >> > > >> > I do work at home, or telecommute, and it seemed to me that this > might hurt my > >> > job and the sense of my initiative might suffer impediments. > >> > > >> > If we'll just let this happen, then good luck to all of us. > >> > _________________________________________________ > >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________ > >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > > > > -- > > Rev. Michael R. Janapin, Th.D. > > Academic Dean > > PBTS Baguio City, Philippines > > http://mulingsilang.wordpress.com > > http://www.pbts.net.ph > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/private/plug/attachments/20121001/1981f3cf/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 11:35:44 +0800 > From: Michael Janapin <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [plug] PHL Cybercrime Law: Say goodbye to torrent and > file-sharing > To: "Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CAEr6vohRO816_WC= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Since it's already passed into law, is there anything we can do here? > Would there be a chance for the Supreme Court to declare it as > unconstitutional? > > Now, it's just my cent. > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Jubert Ledesma > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > I think the Libel part is just the tip of the iceberg. They are > > stepping... no.. its much more like trampling on everyone's rights and > > freedom. For them to port sniff us is just too much. They can see and > > listen in on anything we do without any warrants. Making port sniffing > > legal for the government to use to check up on us is like making wire > > tapping legal. Who made them big brother? Another scary thing is that our > > Telcos utilize VOIP technologies which means once it hits the NET they > can > > also monitor your calls and they can easily say that they did not wiretap > > but was in compliance of the Cybercrime Law. It does sound like it is an > > E-Martial Law when you think about it. Once the government looks in to > > everything we do and one slip can and would lead you to jail term. > > > > I think our group should take part of the campaign against this Law which > > steps on our freedom not just of speech but in the whole sense. > > > > This law is just too much. Paranoid or not, I am now setting up > > encryptions for my mail and chat applications. I do not want anyone > > listening in on my personal things not even if it is the government. > > > > > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Michael Janapin <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > They can censor all they want and throw everything against cyber freedom, > > yes, including kitchen utensils, but it won't make the problem of piracy > go > > away. > > > > I'm just alarmed that this law might restrict distribution of legit > > torrents (e.g., linux distros, opensource applications, etc.). > > > > Anyway, there are several ways to skin a cat... if p2p would go, then a > > new way of distributing content would be created and implemented. > > > > Just my one-and-a-half cents. > > > > > >>> > >>> On 9/29/2012 5:11 PM, Danny Ching wrote: > >>> > >>> Torrenting copyrighted materials had always been wrong. This law, bad > as it is, > >>> did nothing to further criminalize copyright infringement. > >>> > >>> I think the scary part is the libel bit. > >>> > >>> Danny Ching > >>> > >>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, toytoy <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > I think this news is VERY INTERESTING at all. > >>> > > >>> > > http://www.interaksyon.com/infotech/phl-cybercrime-law-say-goodbye-to-torrent-and-file-sharing > >>> > > >>> > We have a law now that is worse than USA. Imagine we are a third > world country > >>> > and its hard for us to afford to buy e-books and software or other > stuffs that > >>> > gives us interest and use our potential to learn and be innovative > (which > >>> > government can benefit from that). > >>> > > >>> > At least, in our time, we experience downloading e-books thru > torrent. If this > >>> > law will be implemented, now its hard for the youth or next > generation to be > >>> > resourceful because all file sharing are block (will this include > DropBox, > >>> > Google Drive, etc.?). Also most of the Filipinos don't have credit > cards to > >>> > buy online stuffs, IMO this law gives us a huge barricade that would > hurt our > >>> > future in learning or for being innovative. > >>> > > >>> > I do work at home, or telecommute, and it seemed to me that this > might hurt my > >>> > job and the sense of my initiative might suffer impediments. > >>> > > >>> > If we'll just let this happen, then good luck to all of us. > >>> > _________________________________________________ > >>> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >>> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _________________________________________________ > >>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing Listhttp:// > lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _________________________________________________ > >>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >>> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________ > >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Rev. 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