guys this is tech forum for linux shiteee why u guys discuss stupid stuff and raising point by point issue, stop whining with nonsens
this forum never change like the sacha chua incident, u guys are fcktards for real > On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:32 PM, plug-requ...@lists.linux.org.ph wrote: > > Send PLUG mailing list submissions to > plug@lists.linux.org.ph > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-requ...@lists.linux.org.ph > > You can reach the person managing the list at > plug-ow...@lists.linux.org.ph > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: debate (fooler mail) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 00:31:52 -0400 > From: fooler mail <fooler.m...@gmail.com> > To: Rogelio Serrano <rogelio.serr...@gmail.com>, "Philippine Linux > Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List" > <plug@lists.linux.org.ph> > Subject: Re: [plug] debate > Message-ID: > <cakpk3ksan+kgvs+tal0hzdtpzzrk49rqzuv2-alsdqxmzdc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Rogelio M. Serrano Jr. > <rogelios...@gmail.com> wrote: >> What impact are you talking about? And corruption can't stop people >> acquiring solar power production capabilities themselves. > > problem with you ... again and again and again and again you always > love to make a wild and baseless statements without supporting facts > and evidences of all your claims... lets go point by point... > > understand and study carefully the link below... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_plants_in_the_Philippines > > solar is a low efficiency energy producer compare to other sources of > energy ... look at SaCaSol I... the largest solar plant in the > philippines with the cost of 4.2 billion pesos... it occupies 66 > hectares of land area and ONLY produce 22 MEGAWATTS of power!.. you > see the inefficiency there? > > the proprietary thorium reactor will cost you $2M per MW of power > (http://www.thoriumpowercanada.com/).. do the math how much will cost > you if the exchange rate is 45 pesos to a dollar for a 22 megawatt of > power compare to 4.2 billions of pesos of SaCaSol I?...take note that > this is first generation of commercial thorium reactor and you will > expect that is expensive... > >> >> We are lucky we can do that. In Poland users of solar panels need to pay tax >> for every kilowatt hour of electricity they use from their own solar panels. > > here is your first wild and baseless statements... in poland... > renewable energy is exempt from excise tax and not subject to real > estate tax... > > http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/issuesandinsights/articlespublications/taxes-and-incentives-for-renewable-energy/pages/poland.aspx > >> Even the solar panel manufacturers have managed their waste effectively. > > see.. even renewable energy produce wastes.... you forgot batteries > are toxics too... who will manage and dispose those batteries > properly? that is another cost... > >> And >> what's the problem with using land not used for food production? You would >> rather have people plant food crops on their roof? > > there is where the impact begins.. population are growing and people > needs land to live and to eat... do you want your solar panel which is > not efficient in producing the energy and occupy massive land mass in > exchange for food? .. wish you all the best to kill more people > because of hunger and our planet is not green anymore... > > as people are growing.. more houses are needed... it replace plants in > favor of infrastructure... that is why environmentalist proposed the > next generation of houses that their rooftop is capable to grow plants > to compensate it.... > > since im not against renewable energy.. my only complain of solar is > low efficiency to produce energy... here in boston.. there is a survey > to community this month if we go for solar roadways... yes solar cells > inside super-strong case to replace roads to illuminate road lines > using LED and heating elements to resist ice and snow... as this is > in trial stage... needs to consider personal safety (eg. wheel > traction efficiency at high speed.. breakage treshold for super heavy > vehicles... water leakage... etc. ) > > but take note if you use all the batteries in the world to store solar > energy.. it wont last for 10 minutes to supply the current world > energy consumption (see bill gates presentation on TED)... > > >> And the solar manufacturers can use solar power to produce solar cells. >> Thats interesting. > > you find that interesting? that is very interesting your > interesting... of course you need energy source... even a diesel > generator can produce solar cells and that is very interesting too... > >> Solar is very low maintenance for potentially decades. And solar cells are >> getting cheaper every year. > > sure but the cost of destroying the green planet is much more > expensive because it occupy more space with less energy to offer... > >> >> Thorium research will require government support. > > of course because the government governs what is good and bad for her > country... > >> Even big business can not >> provide the money by themselves. > > this is your second wild and baseless statement.... how you measure > big business? > >> You think the philippine government has >> that kind of will? > > your line of thinking makes philippines down in the drain... if you > become president of the philippines... philippines is going nowhere... > people in philippine government is coterminus! > >> >> Only India has active reactors actually using thorium. > > this your third wild and baseless statement... > >> Even the u.s. never >> went that far then they shut it down. > > because you just read articles on the internet without knowing the > reason behind there and keep on debating with me with your useless > debate.. it shutdown because the US government prefer the other toxic > reactor which is plutonium waste to produce more nuclear bombs... > >> thorium needs an initiator. It does not really readily become critical by >> itself. Its supposed to absorb neutrons to become uranium.Usually the source >> is uranium itself which we dont have. Another way would be to use neutron >> from accelerators. Which we don't have. Wait its actually illlegal to be >> producing weapons grade uranium in the Phil. > > you make me laugh.. you are now trying to project yourself as an > expert in nuclear science... this is now very interesting indeed... go > study thorium again if it is producing nuclear weapon and how much it > needs in grams of thorium and uranium assuming we dont have those in > the philippines.... this is now your fourth wild and baseless > statement... > >> Hmmmm. Accelerators require ... >> lots and lots of electricity. > > fifth wild and baseless statement... go study nuclear science more... > >> Maybe we can use solar plants to provide that >> power? > > just use that solar plants in your house as you badly needed that... > >> >> And thorium metal has the highest melting point of all metals and the only >> possible way to use them is fuel in molten salt reactors. > > your sixth wild and baseless statement.... tungsten metal in pure form > is the highest melting point of all metals at 3422 degrees celcius > while thorium is 1750 degrees celcius... > >> Thorium is >> interesting but still it requires uranium based infrastructure. Which the >> Philippines will not have ever. > > your seventh wild and baseless statement... > > http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/energy/se/pp/unfc_egrc/unfc_ws_IAEA_CYTED_UNECE_Santiago_July2013/12_July/6_Reyes_Philippines_U_Resources.pdf > > im really tired debating with your wild and baseless statement as you > dont provide educational value and benefits here in plug... > > fooler. > > > >> >>> On Mar 27, 2015 3:22 AM, "fooler mail" <fooler.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> i understand your side philip and i thank everybody (including you) >>> who have the courage to an open debate with me and contribute to this >>> debate... >>> >>> the problem is.. the original poster is not an open minded and >>> transparent.. and worst trying to project himself as an expert on the >>> subject matter... he hide the cons of solar energy and the impact to >>> the environment in the long run compare to other energy sources.. >>> >>> one thing to note also the connivance of our corrupt officials and >>> business man creating an artificial energy shortage because of the >>> demand and supply principle... when the demand is high and the supply >>> is low.. the price is higher... hence raking more profit... >>> >>> fooler. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM, philip morales <mattiemat...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Thats is really not my point, :( if thorium is available now or if >>>> someone >>>> can start anything about it now then I will support it. Thats not a >>>> problem. >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Those who think solar is a complete waste of time then nothing stop them >>>> from engaging with it. Also we cannot shoot down someone who wants to >>>> share >>>> his work about renewable energy if he believes there are people who need >>>> it >>>> today. >>>> >>>>> On Mar 27, 2015 10:41 AM, "fooler mail" <fooler.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> you said: >>>>> >>>>> "Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it cannot >>>>> not be implemented today or in the near future." >>>>> >>>>> "Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste of >>>>> time." >>>>> >>>>> thats the question because india already implemented and why >>>>> philippines cant and doing nothing and waiting for something to >>>>> happen? >>>>> >>>>> see the tables of the link below why solar is a completely waste of >>>>> time because of low efficiency and taking a lot of space compare to >>>>> other sources of energy: >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_plants_in_the_Philippines >>>>> >>>>> fooler. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:47 PM, philip morales >>>>> <mattiemat...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I did not say the Philippines cant its not my point. I said we can >>>>>> support >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 27, 2015 9:33 AM, "fooler mail" <fooler.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> other countries are using and improving thorium already... india is >>>>>>> doing it already.. why philippines cant? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:25 PM, philip morales >>>>>>> <mattiemat...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Both renewable energy and thorium have their pros and cons. >>>>>>>> Renewable energy may not be as promising as thorium but it can be >>>>>>>> implemented and use today and can provide significant impact in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> lives of >>>>>>>> our fellow citizen. >>>>>>>> Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it >>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>> implemented today or in the near future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why not use the best of both technologies? We can support Obet in >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> advocacy not by using it but by just sharing his works to others. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> reach those people who actually need it. >>>>>>>> If in the future a project about thorium came up we can support it >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we can utilize renewable energy for the next 10+++ years its a >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> investment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doing something that can give significant results like Obet's >>>>>>>> advocacy >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> not a waste of time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 27, 2015 7:28 AM, "fooler mail" <fooler.m...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i respect that as we have different views johann... only time >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> tell someday... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle >>>>>>>>> <johannta...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements >>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> leave >>>>>>>>>> it at. Good evening. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail >>>>>>>>>> <fooler.m...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hi johann... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the >>>>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop >>>>>>>>>>> solar >>>>>>>>>>> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as >>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. >>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle >>>>>>>>>>> <johannta...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>> centavos worth: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a >>>>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>>>> minutes >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> googling tells me it's promising. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some >>>>>>>>>>>> resources >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> cover >>>>>>>>>>>> everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. >>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>> what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. >>>>>>>>>>>> What's >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> harm >>>>>>>>>>>> in encouraging those who have the means to install solar >>>>>>>>>>>> systems >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>> homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> government >>>>>>>>>>>> decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take >>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>>>>>> before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW >>>>>>>>>>>> helps. >>>>>>>>>>>> There's >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing wrong with promoting something that can give >>>>>>>>>>>> immediate >>>>>>>>>>>> results, >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good >>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g. >>>>>>>>>>>> clear >>>>>>>>>>>> forests >>>>>>>>>>>> to make a solar farm). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think both renewables and thorium can be long term >>>>>>>>>>>> solutions. >>>>>>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>>>>>> example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> power >>>>>>>>>>>> lines to >>>>>>>>>>>> distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> help. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Johann >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <ni...@ixs.ph> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install >>>>>>>>>>>>> thorium-reactor >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad >>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down >>>>>>>>>>>>> Meralco's >>>>>>>>>>>>> monopoly >>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a better way to improve the power situation in >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> country, >>>>>>>>>>>>> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more >>>>>>>>>>>>> expensive >>>>>>>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>>>>>>> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Niels Tomey >>>>>>>>>>>>> Manager Technical Operations Department >>>>>>>>>>>>> iXSforall >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio >>>>>>>>>>>>> <rju...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi fooler, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi dan, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focusing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nuclear energy... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electricity)... this translates further to... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dlcco...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kelsey.hartigan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obet, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stores. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fooler.m...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiments >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facebook.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thorium... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kelsey.hartigan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thorium >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bombard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renewable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anytime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questionable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thorium." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raon...)." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rverz...@gn.apc.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <rverz...@gn.apc.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expertise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <jond...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rverz...@gn.apc.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. 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