On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 8:57 PM Russell Senior <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 7:02 PM Keith Lofstrom <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 08:26:21AM -0800, Rich Shepard wrote:
>> > > I need to download ~15G of data from a web site. Using a PLUG mail
>> list
>>
>> Apropos of not much, when I first got on this crazy
>> [...] I will "soon" install 100/100 Mbps Ziply fiber for
>> $20/month.  I could upgrade to 2000/2000 Mbps (I don't
>> need that much, I don't stream movies) for $70/month.
>>
>> That's one minute to move 15 gigabytes.
>>
>
> Two observations:
>
> a) the bandwidth your plan claims does not factor in the speed at which
> the rest of the internet will deliver bits to you (even assuming the ISP
> isn't exaggerating), my experience has been that it is *rare* (not
> impossible) for actual real world services on the internet to actually feed
> you at significant fractions of gigabit speeds (often around 30Mbps) even
> on my supposedly gigabit fiber service. About 5% of the time I'm surprised
> by something faster. Speed test sites are the exception. I suspect
> shenanigans between the ISPs and the speed test sites.
>

Here are some examples. They are from my gateway device (nothing but telco
infrastructure upstream, no NATing, routing or storage involved, writing
directly to /dev/null):

root@gw:/tmp# curl
https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v6.x/linux-6.6.1.tar.xz > /dev/null
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
 Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
 Speed
100  133M  100  133M    0     0  14.6M      0  0:00:09  0:00:09 --:--:--
14.9M
root@gw:/tmp# curl
https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04.3/ubuntu-22.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso >
/dev/null
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
 Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
 Speed
100 4804M  100 4804M    0     0  12.4M      0  0:06:25  0:06:25 --:--:--
8021k

Not too horrible, the numbers are in bytes, so apply a factor of 10 to
accommodate framing overhead and bits per bytes, averaging around 150Mbps

This is more typical of what the internet feeds you:

root@gw:/tmp# curl -k
https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.2/FreeBSD-13.2-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso
> /dev/null
  % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time
 Current
                                 Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left
 Speed
 16 4048M   16  680M    0     0  1144k      0  1:00:23  0:10:09  0:50:14
1597k

Closer to 10Mbps. (ps, i didn't want to wait an hour, so I interrupted it
after only 10 minutes)

Meanwhile, a random speedtest.net from a wired internal client through the
same gateway (so, routing and NATing are involved) shows ~600Mbps down and
400Mbps up.

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