I am using X, not Wayland. Kicad does not like Wayland, and I do a lot of circuit designing (Raspberry PI and ESP32) and firmware writing for my designs.
A quick update. System76 proclaimed that the new box (less than 30 days old) had a hardware bug, and they are sending me a new one! In the meantime, I just assembled and powered up the Framework laptop 16 without an external GPU, just the AMD Ryzen AI 300. Works like a champ. And no fan noise that plagued my original Oryx Pro (2022) and the new one I just sent back. I plan to try a newer Ubuntu version than 24.04 to see if that helps. If I need the Nvidia GPU in the future, I can always order a GPU module (with the 12GB desktop RTX 5070) from Framework and use it with, most likely, an updated Ubuntu. For Ted: The RTX 5070 8GB is a variant of NVIDIA's midrange Blackwell architecture. While the desktop RTX 5070 standardly features 12GB of GDDR7 VRAM, an 8GB GDDR7 version exists specifically as a mobile GPU for gaming and workstation laptops. Thanks! Mark On Sun, May 24, 2026 at 2:36 PM Ted Mittelstaedt <[email protected]> wrote: > !heresy > > I've never been able to run Chrome or Firefox on Wayland on ANY gpu > without disabling GPU acceleration in the apps. Disabling it in the > Wayland configuration does nothing. > > Frankly, the comment out of this discussion says it all: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/r0fyrl/what_is_wayland/ > > "...It's what you use when you have a NVIDIA card and a multi monitor > setup and hate yourself on a deep level...." > > That got a +9 score and you know that dozens of Waylan fanboys were > super-pissed and downvoted that comment so the actual upvotes were probably > in the hundreds. > > And that was 5 years ago. > > The promise of Wayland was like Scottie said in Star Trek III Search for > Spock: > > "the more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the > drain" > > Come ON people! A flipping -movie script writer- who likely couldn't code > his way out of a paper bag knew that 42 years ago! (oh and that's the > ultimate answer to life, universe and everything, by the way) > > It's so common in coding. It's sheer laziness. "oooo this is hard to > understand. I don't want to give up my time playing Leage to understand > it. I know let's scrap it all and start over. And by the way let's rename > everything with new cool names to show everyone how smart we are" > > Then when the replacement gets as complicated as the old one was - which > is where Wayland is now - then these developers disappear "ahh I need to go > to the bathroom" > > Ted > > > -----Original Message----- > From: PLUG <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ben Koenig via > PLUG > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2026 1:53 PM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <[email protected]> > Cc: Ben Koenig <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Anyone having issues with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 8GB > On Ubuntu 24.04 > > I might be suggesting heresy here so feel free to get your torches and > pitchforks ready... but are you running a full wayland desktop or X11? > > I ask for multiple reasons.. aside from kernel log messages, the actual > errors you are encountering are mostly higher up in the stack. Top level > applications like the window manager and firefox. > > X11 is a more mature platform. As much as people say it sucks it is battle > tested and everyone knows what to expect from it. wayland on nvidia support > has been iffy for a long time. I keep seeing claims that wayland is now on > par with X11, but the reality is that there have been problems on wayland > desktops that are nvidia specific. If you are able, try something like XFCE > or KDE's plasma-x11 and see if any of these problems reproduce. > > The only real problem with nvidia's drivers is that they tend to have a > NIH problem with the existing driver stack and often opt to roll out their > own userspace components that conflict with DRM/KMS and mesa. X has the > ability to handle this conflict, but wayland might be iffy. Note the > nvidia-drm kernel module.. for amd/intel we just the regular drm module. > This is important, because your processor has an AMD GPU built in. > > > https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen/ai-300-series/amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370.html > > There is a very real possibility that nvidia's driver and amdgpu are > clashing which can result in applications falling back to software > rendering on the CPU. It's entirely possible that each screen is being > handled by a different driver result in pure userspace chaos. > > -Ben > > On Saturday, May 23rd, 2026 at 4:57 PM, Mark Phillips < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I have a brand new System76 Oryx Pro running Ubuntu 24.04 running on a > > Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370. Fresh install 1 weeks or so ago. I am using the > > NVIDIA UNIX Open Kernel Module for x86_64 v 595.58.03. > > > > On every boot I get these log messages: > > - NVRM: invalid 43 structure size! > > - NVRM: Failed to get memory pages for NvKmsKapiMemory > > - NVRM: Flip event timeout on head 0 > > * I cannot run a second external monitor using USB-C connector - the > > system crashes on startup > > * With one external monitor on the HDMI port and the laptop monitor > > the system crashes several times a day. Keyboard and mouse stop > > working and I have to power off to get the system back. > > * There are intermittent "soft crashes" where the mouse cursor cannot > > move between monitors, it is stuck on the primary monitor. The logs > > show that Mutter's cursor barrier state - the compositor - loses track > > of where the cursor is allowed to travel between monitors. The "fix" > > is to use a system lock/unlock to get the mouse back. > > * Firefox rapidly consumes 300-400% of the cpu when opening a google > > search page, and then the system crashes. Same with Typora, Chrome, > KiCad, etc. > > > > System76 suggested using the NVIDIA nvidia-driver-580-open. > > - NVRM: invalid 43 structure size! - fixed > > - Still lots of "soft crashes" requiring lock/unlock dance > > - Firefox still spins up to 300% and has to be killed to prevent a > > more drastic crash > > - Fan running all the time and very loud > > - Less frequent crashes, but still happening > > > > I have slowly disabled the NVIDIA GPU in an attempt to bring some > > stability to my system. > > - ~/.local/share/applications/typora_typora.desktop --disable-gpu > > - chrome://settings → System → turn hardware acceleration off > > - ~/.local/share/applications/firefox.desktop, replace all occurrences > > of Exec=firefox %u with Exec=env DRI_PRIME=pci-0000_c4_00_0 firefox > > %u > > - ~/.config/environment.d/dri-prime.conf contains > > DRI_PRIME=pci-0000_c4_00_0 > > - I still get firefox spinning up to 300% and crashing the system if I > > don't kill it fast enough, random "soft crashes", fan spinning up to > > high speed, then back down after a few minutes with just a few tabs > > and apps open. > > > > I finally just disabled the NVIDIA GPU altogether. > > * /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nvidia.conf: > > blacklist nvidia > > blacklist nvidia_drm > > blacklist nvidia_modeset > > blacklist nvidia_uvm > > blacklist nvidia_nvlink > > install nvidia /bin/false > > install nvidia_drm /bin/false > > install nvidia_modeset /bin/false > > install nvidia_uvm /bin/false > > install nvidia_nvlink /bin/false > > > > The system is stable now and running without any crashes and Firefox > > still spins the fan up a bit, and then settles down. > > > > Is anyone else having issues with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 8GB GDDR7 On > > Ubuntu 24.04 using the NVIDIA nvidia-driver-580-open on Ubuntu 24.04? > > All > > System76 has to offer is "reinstall the OS", which I have done to no > avail. > > > > Has anyone else noticed that System76 support has lost its "edge"? > > Years ago it used to be staffed with, to me anyway, real Linux gurus > > who could fix most problems. Lots of back and forth with "run these > > commands and give the results" to slowly converge on the solution. > > Nowadays, the suggestion I hear the most is "re-install the OS". > > > > I am thinking of returning the Oryx Pro and trying a "base system" > > Framework 16 with the Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370 and without the NVIDIA GPU, > > since that is basically what I have now. I can try the NVIDIA GPU (12 > > GB) in a few months when I need it for a project to see if the drivers > > have settled down. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark > > > >
