all i want is to get the facts right. i have a problem with bad publicity
and more importantly premature publicity because it tends to send the
wrong signals to the community. we are sensitive people here.
<snipped original link to compuworld>
> >>
> >> from what i understand from the article, the "distro" is a single floppy
> >> based one, or am i wrong? this is a far cry from being a real distribution
> >> like admulinux is. heck, if a single floppy distribution were all there
> >> were to it, then we've had that kind of thing for a long while now.
> >>
> >yup. i remember making chicken linux floppy distribution when i was new to
> >linux. heck. i even remember other people who i compared notes with to get
> >the dang thing running. admulinux is wonderful distribution for the
> >hacker. admulinuxGO is the best teaching tool idea i have encountered in
> >along time. it makes me wonder if TROLLS existing only in the m$ world. i
> >guess they also do in the linux world.
>
> This just proves that Filipinos are exceptionally intelligent. Again, there's
> no issue regarding AdMULinux. I, for one, agree that it was a good teaching
> tool (I'm from UP Diliman but I sure have a lot of Blue-blooded friends). For
> the record, we *never* claimed that Buhawi is the first local Linux distro.
> For the record again, Buhawi can be compiled to run on a single floppy or as a
> full Linux installation on regular IDE and SCSI drives. There are no TROLLS
> here, Mister. We just came here to code. It's not our fault that Computerworld
> published an article about Buhawi in the way they did. Please remember that no
> one has a monopoly on Linux or Open Source. I'm sure there's room for
> different distros, God knows we need more of these especially now that M$ has
> taken to directly throwing dirt at our community.
>
i formally apologize the use of the word TROLL and for immediately
condemning you guys for compuworld article. mea culpa on my part.
i would assume that if there was a mistake in the press release
you could have done something to fix it up. you know how we are in the
community. being a lurker you may have seen the countless issues that have
popped up and cause flame war.
also i believe in the saying "give credit were credit is due". i believe
that we are were we are because of the countless work of other people.
being part of the linux community in the philippines. i believe that we
must work together in order to promote linux in this country. how am i
supposed to feel happy about open source work if a group goes around and
start claiming everything here and there yonder about open source and
linux even makes no mention about the local linux communities here such
as PLUG and countless other nameless people? of course, angry and hurt!
> >
> >maybe they have their own Philippine Linux Users Group and they have a doc
> >mana clone!!! not as good as the real one though.
>
> Nope. We have no intention of replicating PLUG. You guys are good at what you
> do.
>
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> >
> >> aside from them claiming to be the first filipino linux distro... they
> >> also claim to have run the first Linux-based BBS in the Philippines! i've
> >> run Alien's Alcove on Linux since the mid-1990's but closed-doors to the
> >> public when i had to move homes. ;) so i figure that i'd have to say
> >> alien's was the first. oh... for the patient and close-to-demented as i
> >> am, you can try "ssh -l bbs gra.ph" or "telnet -l bbs gra.ph" for some old
> >> time fun. if it breaks, email me. :) hey ian, remember our first ytalks
> >> over the modem? is robbie still an IBMer?
>
> I think I settled this issue earlier. Anyway, it's a non-issue. Again, if
> Alien's Alcove was the first Linux BBS, no problem here!
>
non-issue it is. next time, i just hope that people be careful with their
press release. if it is the culpa of the publication then call for an
errata.
> >
> >i even remember reading them post about the first permanent beowulf
> >installation in the country??? da heck!
> >
>
> And we respect AGILA too, thank you. I've read your whitepaper and am quite
> impressed with your work. However, Lalainya was simply realized before AGILA
> was. But hey, if being first is an issue, you can have it. IMHO, it's better
> to have two clusters in one country anytime - whatever the achievements of
> AGILA or Lalainya, Pinoys win, right? Also, we are not concerned with titles.
> As long as Lalainya performs the way we designed her to (using our own
> parallel processing software aside from those downloadable from the Internet),
> we are content.
>
no problem here. i never claimed that AGILA was the first.
i have some clustering history here. the first people who actually did it
were sina dr. elfredy sa UPLB(maybe neil a. would know what happened).
however, that cluster i am not sure about it's status. if you are talking
about still working cluster and realized before you it could be from any
of the other universities.
MSU-IIT - 8 node dual PII cluster and one new one coming up(probably the
longest one i know that still is being used)
UPD-NIP and other UP units - 16 node athlon cluster and others
and others.
we are slowly collecting this information for historical reasons. i was
peeved about the fact that you have released the information without even
taking a look at the facts first. you are from UPD right? there are
cluster lying around your campus too you know.
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i read something interesting on your site.
"...solve metro manila's traffic problems"
i am interested in knowing how you intend to go about this. do you plan to
use multistate cellular automata like the work of stephen wolfram and
weiner? how do you plan to discretize the CA? use a data-parallel method
to allocate various portions of the CA to different processing elements?
...or... use differential methods?
maybe we can get together sometime. we have a graduate student working on
this type of problem. maybe we can share some notes. now this is getting
off a good start!
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> Last time I checked, the Philippine Linux community was a welcome place for
> people who would like to contribute to it. So what's with all these
> "righteous indignation?"
>
i am sorry that we have had to start off in the wrong foot here. well, i
hope you understand my sentiments and the sentiments of others on this
issue too. people do not like the idea of one single group taking credit
for the work of countless others you know.
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