On Tue, May 25, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > Some of this can be easily tested/bisected by user simply by creating new > account in different domain without reputation, but the same infrastructure. > > Cloud services are great way of doing this. > except they really are not due to they way most IP reputation schemes work. You can be low rep because your IP was called a spammer, or hasn't sent a high enough volume of ham to be considered good. It's hard to test reputation and harder to fix it unless you have ties with various services. But in most cases DKIM failures are a red herring, like for me as an example, my fastmail and gmail served domains show plug failing dkim but pass the spam bar and end up in my mailbox. so it could be plug, it could be your domain, it could be your provider.
> No need to be messing up with whole list. > > Doing nothing will inevitably lead to lack of response/stimulus and > eventual abandonment of the list by affected individual, I'd think. > > My 2 c, -T You're not entirely wrong and it's probably why we have seen a decline in the use of email and mailing lists over all. --- GPG: https://corrupted.io/kusuriya.pub On Tue, May 25, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > Some of this can be easily tested/bisected by user simply by creating new > account in different domain without reputation, but the same infrastructure. > > Cloud services are great way of doing this. > > No need to be messing up with whole list. > > Doing nothing will inevitably lead to lack of response/stimulus and > eventual abandonment of the list by affected individual, I'd think. > > My 2 c, -T > > On Tue, May 25, 2021, 19:20 Jason Barbier <[email protected]> wrote: > > > most likely, I know for the FreeBSD one DKIM is set up for soft fails > > which could be it, it could also be IP reputation also. Email spam > > mitigation is a mysterious box that is hard to troubleshoot > > > > --- > > GPG: https://corrupted.io/kusuriya.pub > > > > On Tue, May 25, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Tom wrote: > > > On Mon, 24 May 2021 15:45:06 -0700 > > > "Jason Barbier" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > you are part right, the modification of the message body would cause > > > > DKIM failures if you authorized the plug mail servers to send as your > > > > domain. Due to the way most mail list software works DKIM will never > > > > pass. for list messages > > > > > > Why is it do you think that I don't have any such problem on the > > > FreeBSD, Gentoo, NetworkUPStools, Prosody, Tails and Gemini mailing > > > lists? Do they have their setup a certain way? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > > PLUG mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
