On 9/6/21 14:14, Mike C. wrote: > One regional communication service provider that I know of that doesn't log > ip addresses is Riseup.net. Their philosophy is essentially any info that > isn't logged/stored isn't able to be shared. > > If you don't know about the Warrant Canary, now you can now - > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary > > Riseup.net warrant canary info - https://riseup.net/en/canary > > On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:15 PM Russell Senior <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Saw this referred to on tweetar this morning, and looked it up: >> >> >> >> https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/ >>
Not to cause a flame war or get into the weeds of how email works, but no email service you use is immune to a subpoena or court order - in any country. The SMTP protocol requires servers to cache, even for a short while, header information to deliver/receive messages. Even Riseup can be compelled to cough up this subscriber data, esp, as branch of a USA non-profit. USA has some of the worst individual privacy protections, courtesy of the Patriot Act and similar laws passed to fight "terrorism". The legal usefulness of warrant canaries is still debatable. Once invested in an email service, and a canary dies, what then? Your data is already gone. Stop suing the service? End-to-end encryption, Tor, VPNs will at least keep your data, if not always source and destination, safe. Riseup.net is not immune to what happened at ProtonMail. I'm glad these service providers exist, but they are limited in how much privacy they can provide. We walk around with cell tower and GPS location trackers. We scan credit and debit cards debit cards. Instead of worrying about our email provider rolling over on a court order, perhaps it would be better to pressure our elected servants to rescind privacy nonsense like the Patriot Act and stupidity like the Citizens United SCOTUS decision. -Ed
