It would only be right if the law is being broken.
S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:15 AM, Nathan England <[email protected]> wrote: > On Monday, June 10, 2013 12:44:45 AM Ryan Simpkins wrote: >> Why I think this question matters to PLUG: >> * Snowden was an IT worker and referenced information gained in his position >> as a Sys Admin/Analyst in determining that wrong doing had occurred. * PLUG >> is deeply analytical. This question requires deep analysis. * We respect >> the opinions of our colleagues and peers far more than pundits and >> politicians. >> * The NSA is building "phase II" in our backyard. Some of you may choose to >> go work there to help run these programs. >> * It might be YOU who decides to do this next. >> >> Did Mr. Snowden do the right thing by disclosing PRISM and similar programs >> to the world, or did he violate the trust of his employer, government, and >> fellow countrymen by reveling secrets that aught not to have been reveled? >> >> Video here: >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-s >> nowden-interview-video >> >> -Ryan >> >> /* >> PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net >> Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug >> Don't fear the penguin. >> */ > > > > This is an awesome question, and I don't mean that in the hippie surfer > awesome way, > but in the "awe"-some way. The information that came out, whether being > sensationalized by the media or completely accurate is important for every > American > to know. > > I don't know how to express it elloquently, or that I could even explain it > in a way that > someone else could say had good hard points, but in the end, I think Mr. > Snowden did > the right thing. > > If my employer was doing nasty things with personal data, while claiming to > not have > that data, I would mumble to myself, but might keep working there. How do I > quantify > "nasty" ? I don't know. I don't personally like companies having *any* > personal data, > but in the society we have built, we have in large part given up so many of > our private > liberties in the name of convenience to private corporations that it becomes > a very > fine line between what is ethical and what is not. While it may not be > appropriate for > this list, I have to say, I think with the removal of Jesus Christ from > society and a > capitalist system that has largely forgotten God altogether, I don't know > that this > country has any real ethics anymore. Where would I draw the line and stop > working for > the company? I'm not sure I could say that. I would know when I know, but it > would be > purely gut. Would I turn over all my info to the media? No. I might start a > serious F.U.D. > campaign against the company and tell everyone I know about their unscrupulous > practicies, but I wouldn't turn over any documents. > > With that being said, why do I think Mr. Snowden was right in turning over the > documents? Because a private company (or public for that matter) is an entity > of the > state and should succeed or fail based on its business practices, hence my > F.U.D. > campaign. But the government, as elected officials by you and I, and what I > believe to > be an institution establish by God to protect the citizens, uphold justice, > and punish > criminals, (though God warned what a government would bring pretty well in > Samuel!) > the government cannot be run outside the rule of law. It cannot operate above > the > law. It absolutely must be held to a higher standard. > > More importantly, we once upon a time had a document that stood for > something, and > it garaunteed the right of innonce until proven guilty. A government that is > condemning its citizens in order to protect itself is not an institution that > can be > trusted, nor an institution that should be allowed to continue. > > I think immediate action should be taken against all the upper levels in this > administration. I realize a lot of this came from Bush, but at some point in > Mr. Obama's > presidency he needs to begin taking responsibility for his office. At some > point in time > he must stop blaiming Bush for everything and acknowledge he has made > mistakes. > He knew about the program, yet did nothing to stop it, he is just as guilty, > if not > moreso than Bush. The Obama administration has led an absolutely brilliant > campaign > of plausible deniability by making sure it appears that Obama knows nothing > that is > going on. And while it is really (sadly) quite possible that Obama really has > no clue or is > even just a puppet, in the end, it is his administration and he must own it. > When a > sports player fails a team he may be benched or even sent to the minors, but > the head > coach will still lose his job, though he didn't make the error. > > It took a lot of courage for Mr. Snowden to release those documents, and I > applaud > him for doing so. The government is not a corporation that needs a slap on > the wrist, it > is a collective of elected officials who have forgotten whom the constitution > has given > authority to. That is us. We the people. And they the government need to begin > fearing we the people. > > Personally, I think gitmo should remain open. We may need to expand it a > little . . . > > Nathan > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
