On 02/06/2014 02:22 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > At some point you have to say enough is > enough, I need usability. The best security I can offer for my valuables > is a bank vault, but then again a court order (or even someone flashing a > badge legitimate or not) can cause the bank to cough that up, so is it > really any more secure?
I don't want to start another leg of this discussion, but I would like to point out that banks are not secure. A lot of money is spent on doors that will only unlock once a day, have air vents and maybe food and water in case someone gets locked in. But the truth of the matter is, rarely does someone consider the security of the wall. For the most part that's ok; out of sight out of mind, nobody notices the wall. Until someone backs a van through through it. Some banks will put money into the wall strength. A lot of banks are just branch locations retrofitted from a standard business building. The vault door is there to deter the casual bank robber, and mostly night-time, front-door break-ins. If someone walks in with a gun in the day light, the door is already open, and everyone is instructed not to be a hero in this situation. Nobody is going to close the door. As you say, that's what insurance is for. There are locks on individual safety deposit boxes, but a bank robber would have to drill them out. If they don't already know which box and what they are looking for, they have a limited window in which to find something they might want and get out. Roughly about 5-10 minutes. And frankly, a good portion of the things stored in a safety deposit box are documents, not valuables. They are often stored there for fire protection, keeping a will from disappearing from the family filing cabinet, etc. Most bank robbers are aware of these facts, which is why they don't go for the vault. They go for a teller, an ATM, your online banking credentials, your reputation and credit, and your bitcoin stash. All of which are safer for them, less likely to get multiple jurisdictions working together to find you, and the insurance company covers the loss anyway (unless you suffered the loss directly, then you just get a years worth of credit monitoring, i.e. Target). An attacker only gets caught if their operation becomes big enough that a card network or insurance company takes notice. ;-Daniel /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */