According to Eric Jon Phelps and Greg Szymanski, the Vatican has two policies on many such matters -- the open one and the secret one. Some Catholics have even supported the war openly, including Avery Cardinal Dulles. Phelps compares it to when the Vatican's policy was hatred of Israel and support for the Arabs' right to the land, after which they proceeded to install the Masonic Labor Zionists and did a complete turn-around. This is his account -- you'd have to read the details on his site and see what you think. Again, Bill Hughes' excellent book "The Enemy Unmasked" pinpoints how the Jesuits have worked together with Zionism in the World Wars, the Federal Reserve, etc., with many key figures belonging to both. Do you really think the Roman Catholic Church upholds the core tenets of the New Testament and the Gospels? I'd recommend browsing the articles on www.arcticbeacon.com -- including the articles on the Croatian and Canadian genocides (you can do a search under Article Archives). Many of the same powers that twisted the message have also infiltrated Protestantism, though I'm sure they each have their own peculiar distortions. Yes, of course a kind of globalism is inevitable. But it's a battleground between those working to better our collective lot and those who are busy setting up global fascism, including population control. Again not something we hear about, but many respectable thinkers have favored weeding out the dross of humanity to improve the lot of the elite, and it's going on as we speak. I don't claim to know where ZB stands on this, but if he's one of them I wouldn't bet the rent he'd say so in his books.

Sean McBride wrote:

Like Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Vatican has strongly OPPOSED the Iraq War, a planned Iran War, and all the other crackbrained neocon schemes for igniting Armageddon on behalf of building Greater Israel. The closest allies of the neocons in the Christian world have been Protestants, not Roman Catholics, and even they are not real Protestants or real Christians -- they comprise a twisted and genocidal Old Testament cult that is hostile to every core tenet of the New Testament and the Gospels.

ZB is a globalist in the sense that any thinking person in the world is a globalist these days -- because of contemporary transportation and communications technologies and the rapid merging of social, cultural and economic systems around the world, one must think globally simply to understand what is going on in the real world. Narrow nationalism, particular ethnic nationalism of the type epitomized by Israel and Zionism, no longer cuts it.

Do you have any particular quotes from Brzezinski's writings you would like to discuss or critique? Compared to the messianic neocons who now control the Republican Party, and who engineered the Iraq War, Brzezinski is the soul of sanity and reason. He's also an original and imaginative thinker.

Main point: Webster Tarpley has seriously damaged his credibility with this crazy essay.

*/Naila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

    I still say ZB could be a wolf in sheep's clothing with a
    globalist agenda broader than mere support for Israel, or even a
    particular war at a particular time (he said we'd need 500,000
    more troops, which would necessitate a draft).  The Zionist
    question is just one of the faces of a many-faced monster which
    include the Papacy, the Jesuits, the restoration of the Holy Roman
    Empire, the restoration of the British Empire, and the powerful
    secret societies that unite the participants.  Interestingly, ZB
    is a great friend of the Pope despite his belief in a more
    "rational" world view that goes beyond religion (It's never been
    about God -- IMHO, quite the opposite).
        Naila

    *    *    *

    Excerpt from "The Hidden Face of Terrorism"
    © by Paul David Collins © 2002
    Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/15-nov-2004.html

    . . .The story of the dreaded al-Qa'ida terrorist network begins
    with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter's National Security
    Advisor. In his 1997 book, /The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy
    and Geostrategic Objectives/, Brzezinski provides readers with the
    motivation for the creation of a terrorist threat. He begins (p.
    xii):
    /The last decade of the twentieth century has witnessed a tectonic
    shift in world affairs. For the first time ever, a non-Eurasian
    power has emerged not only as a key arbiter of Eurasian power
    relations but also as the world's paramount. The defeat and
    collapse of the Soviet Union was the final step in the rapid
    ascendance of a Western Hemisphere power, the United States, as
    the sole and, indeed, the first truly global power ... /
    Brzezinski celebrates the fact that America is being transformed
    into a world empire. However, he identifies a distinct threat to
    America's ascendancy to the position of sole global power: "The
    attitude of the American public toward the external projection of
    American power has been much more ambivalent" (p. 24). Apparently,
    the citizenry's aversion towards imperialistic policies, which
    Brzezinski euphemistically interprets as ambivalence, is an
    obstacle to the empire's expansion. After all, there are still
    plenty of patriots who understand that Brzezinski's expansionistic
    "geostrategy" is irreconcilable with the tenets of Americanism.
    This sense of awareness has been a major obstacle to the foreign
    policy elites that Brzezinski represents. Thus far, enough
    patriots know that none of the "Freedom Documents" (i.e., the
    Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc.) makes concessions for the
    arbitrary extension of America's authority through brutish
    military expeditions. As a sovereign nation itself, America is
    supposed to honour the autonomy of other countries and is not to
    initiate militaristic campaigns unless she is threatened. Yet,
    Brzezinski believes that adherence to such principles could
    provoke worldwide social upheaval (p. 30):
    /America's withdrawal from the world, or because of the sudden
    emergence of a successful rival, would produce massive
    international instability. It would promote global anarchy. /
    Brzezinski continues further on in hyperbolic fashion (p. 194):
    /Without sustained and directed American involvement, before long
    the forces of global disorder could come to dominate the world
    scene. /
    In other words, the promotion and practice of representative
    government amongst other nations would lead to doomsday itself. In
    such statements, the former National Security Advisor reveals the
    authoritarian features of his bizarre eschatology. According to
    Brzezinski's /Weltanschauung/, those who cherish individual
    liberties and the sovereignty of their respective nations
    constitute the "forces of global disorder"; these forces must be
    defeated or they will invariably cause the apocalypse--so public
    opinion must be altered. (Brzezinski fails to mention that such a
    doomsday will only mean the end for him and his elitist comrades.)
    Brzezinski cites a very interesting historical example (p. 25):
    /The public supported America's engagement in World War II largely
    because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. /
    Ah, an option presents itself! Mass consensus could be facilitated
    through mass trauma. In fact, the engineering of widespread
    compliance is an essential constituent in the implementation of
    Brzezinski's foreign policy. In an exemplary moment of
    self-incrimination so endemic to elitist tracts, Brzezinski pens a
    damning confession (p. 211):
    /Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural
    society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on
    foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly
    massive and widely perceived direct external threat. /
    A readily exploitable menace, whether genuine or promulgated, is
    the solution.
    Brzezinski began the construction of his "direct external threat"
    years before he wrote /The Grand Chessboard/. In an interview with
    the French magazine /Le Nouvel Observateur/, the former national
    security adviser made a stunning confession that will change the
    history books forever (Blum, p. 1):
    /Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his
    memoirs [From the Shadows] that American intelligence services
    began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan six months before the
    Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security
    adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this
    affair. Is that correct?/
    /Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history,
    CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after
    the Soviet Army invaded Afghanistan, December 24, 1979. But the
    reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise.
    Indeed, it was July 3, 1979, that President Carter signed the
    first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet
    regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the
    President in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid
    was going to induce a Soviet military intervention./
    /Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action.
    But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and
    looked to provoke it?/
    /B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene,
    but we knowingly increased the probability that they would. /


              Re-education and the Creation of the Taliban

    Having encouraged the Soviets to invade Afghanistan, Brzezinski
    now had a pretext for radicalising and arming a population that
    would be used at a future date as a "direct external threat" to
    the United States.
    Part of the radicalisation process included the brainwashing of
    children under the guise of education. The Washington Post's Joe
    Stephens and David B. Ottaway report (pp. 1-2):
    /In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions
    of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled
    with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert
    attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation. /
    /The "Primers", which were filled with talk of jihad and featured
    drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since
    then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the
    Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical
    movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict
    fundamentalist code. . .
    /



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