mark, Well then I guess he should have addressed it to Travis and not me, right?
No dumbass, he is offering the unsupported personal opinion that "the two Dems are worthless, non-productive members of society." Do you wish to challenge the accuracy of what I fucking posted or do you not? On Sep 27, 6:59 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe Keith was refering to the original post by travis. he was > commenting that two dems are worthless non productive members of > society, while the two republicans have actually worked for a living, > and have been productive members of society. > your post is ridiculous considering that the two presidents that were > bookends for Reagan and Bush 1 were two of the worst presidents this > country has ever seen. and both were dems. that would be carter and > clinton un case you could not figure that out. > > > > Hollywood wrote: > > Keith, > > > I'm sorry, but waht the fuck does that have to do with my post to > > Travis? > > Are you wishing to start a new thread/subject? > > On Sep 27, 5:25 pm, KeithInTampa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think the biggest distinction, is that both Senator McCain, as well > > > as Governor Palin have experience with working, and making a living, > > > whereas Senator Obama and Senator Biden have never produced, > > > manufactured, sold, marketed, generated, serviced, or in general, > > > worked a day in their adult lives. Oh, wait, I forgot about that > > > whole "community service" thingamajig.......Other than spending > > > millions of tax dollars on toilets in the projects in Chicago, Senator > > > Obama and Senator Biden have never produced, manufactured, sold, > > > marketed, generated, serviced, or in general, worked a day in their > > > adult lives. > > > > On Sep 27, 4:23 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Travis, > > > > > Yep, one was a 2nd rate Hollywood actor and the other a 2nd rate > > > > businessman who enjoyed what degree of business "sucess' he had due to > > > > daddy's money and political influence. I'm fucking impressed. > > > > > On Sep 27, 2:38 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > From: *Travis* > > > > > Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2008 > > > > > Subject: The Rule of Lawyers > > > > > > The Rule of Lawyers > > > > > <http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2008/09/rule-of-lawyers.html> > > > > > > <!--[if > > > > > !vml]--><!--[endif]--><http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mveHL3n_4ME/SNW8XmDkw7I/AAAAAAAAAo4/PH6fck4...> > > > > > > What do the two most successful Republican Presidents of the last few > > > > > decades have in common? None of them were lawyers. > > > > > > It might seem like a trite observation but Reagan and George W. Bush > > > > > were > > > > > both noted for their pragmatism, their ability to connect to voters > > > > > and > > > > > grand visions. While both men were certainly flawed, they also had an > > > > > ability to transcend the trite legalisms of process and procedure in > > > > > order > > > > > to strive for something bigger. > > > > > > As I wrote on Friday, the 2008 election beyond party comes to a choice > > > > > between a ticket with 2 lawyers and a ticket with no lawyers on it. > > > > > It is > > > > > any wonder that the liberal political elite has fervently embraced the > > > > > lawyer ticket while lashing out venomously at the non-lawyer ticket? > > > > > > The legal profession today, more than any other profession, embodies > > > > > the > > > > > moral equivalence and the distortions of language that turns right > > > > > and wrong > > > > > upside down, at the heart of modern liberalism. While conservatives > > > > > often > > > > > attack academia and Hollywood, the worst of the problem is inherent > > > > > in the > > > > > modern understanding of American law, an understanding that requires > > > > > creating a moral vacuum and advocating not for justice, but for the > > > > > criminal. And yet America's leaders repeatedly come out of the legal > > > > > profession, almost in inverse proportion to the amount of public > > > > > hatred for > > > > > lawyers. > > > > > > In the hands of liberalism the law has become a tool for undoing the > > > > > body of > > > > > work of America's Founders, replacing it with hypocritical > > > > > interpretations > > > > > and distortions, shelving the second amendment while interpreting the > > > > > death > > > > > penalty and denial of citizenship as cruel and unusual punishment. > > > > > > When it came to crippling the War on Terror, while journalists did > > > > > their > > > > > part, it was the lawyers who hounded and harangued and undermined > > > > > until they > > > > > got their way. It was the lawyers who time and time again stepped > > > > > forward to > > > > > fight for, sympathize and even aid and abet terrorists. And now it is > > > > > two > > > > > lawyers who are running on the Messiah ticket for the White House on > > > > > empty > > > > > rhetoric and a hollow spectacle and a great deal of dirty tricks. > > > > > > Even as liberalism has demonized the soldier, smeared the patriot and > > > > > the > > > > > religious man, it has put forward three heroes, the reporter, the > > > > > lawyer and > > > > > the teacher. These are the three pillars of American liberalism. The > > > > > reporter smears and brings down the reactionary power structures and > > > > > the > > > > > political opposition, the lawyer provides legal cover, overturns > > > > > "unjust" > > > > > laws and rules from above and the teacher propagandizes in the > > > > > classroom. > > > > > > <!--[if > > > > > !vml]--><!--[endif]--><http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mveHL3n_4ME/SNW8eM1v2yI/AAAAAAAAApA/pYOQPNg...> > > > > > > Of these the lawyer is the most flexible, especially as the lawyer > > > > > rises to > > > > > power, ruling from above. The reporter and teacher are primarily > > > > > indoctrinators, the lawyer is actually a ruler and wields real > > > > > political > > > > > power. > > > > > > The character of the lawyer as the apex of the liberal power pyramid > > > > > also > > > > > reveals much about liberalism. The lawyer is morally selective, > > > > > excels at > > > > > rhetoric and at putting forward the image he wants others to see, he > > > > > is > > > > > capable of bending men and women to his will and of exploiting the > > > > > letter of > > > > > the law to suit his own morally ambiguous purposes. The lawyer may > > > > > posture > > > > > as a moral crusader, but in the end no matter how noble his goals are > > > > > supposed to be, his means are rarely noble. > > > > > > The lawyer may wear many hats, most of them political, because as a > > > > > liberal > > > > > footsoldier, his goals are generally political. He is the perfect > > > > > weapon for > > > > > an ideology that views everything as political since in the end > > > > > politics > > > > > comes down to rhetoric and law, and he has mastered both. He can > > > > > convince > > > > > the crowds or individuals and make the legal case for his agenda and > > > > > this > > > > > makes him into the King piece of the modern political struggle's game > > > > > of > > > > > chess. > > > > > > The greatest trick of the lawyerocracy is to insist that obedience to > > > > > the > > > > > strictest of the letter of the law is all that preserves our > > > > > morality, when > > > > > it benefits the criminal or the terrorist, even as they shape and > > > > > reshape > > > > > the law as they see fit. > > > > > > This cynical legalistic morality has crippled our ability to fight > > > > > everything from crime to terrorism to foreign enemies, required us to > > > > > give > > > > > the benefit of the doubt to anyone hates us, while denying it to our > > > > > own > > > > > people. > > > > > > The one thing that most Americans can agree on is that we do not need > > > > > another lawyer President. 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