No that was not defined by the American government that was a distortion by the Heritage Foundation right wing (non) think-tank
On Oct 6, 10:37 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg2064.cfm > > Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a > car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and > dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or > satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able > to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not > overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had > sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential > needs. While this individual's life is not opulent, it is equally far > from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal > activists, and politicians. > > On Oct 5, 4:35 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ever been to Muenchin (the real name for Munich)?? thought not or you > > woud not even try this. If you Knew anything about Germany you would > > know that Grossostheim is in Bayern (Bavaria) as well, housing for the > > poor throughout any State is equal.... so stuff your absolutely > > inaccurate report. You have photos FROM Bavaria of the housing for the > > poor. > > > On 10/5/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > By the way Mark... > > > > I believe Munich is in Germany, is it not? > > > > So OUR Poor Live in conditions better than those of the "average" > > > people in Munich, Germany, as the Study notes. > > > > On Oct 5, 4:24 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No I don't, I didn't do the Reasearch. > > > > > You are free to disagree with the FACTS all you like Mark... > > > > >http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm > > > > > America's poor compare favorably with the general population of other > > > > nations in square footage of living space. The average poor American > > > > has more square footage of living space than does the average person > > > > living in London, Paris, Vienna, and Munich. Poor Americans have > > > > nearly three times the living space of average urban citizens in > > > > middle-income countries such as Mexico and Turkey. Poor American > > > > households have seven times more housing space per person than the > > > > general urban population of very-low-income countries such as India > > > > and China. (See Appendix Table A for more detailed information.) > > > > > ========================== > > > > > Please note: that says our POOR compare with their "general > > > > population". > > > > > You understand what that means, right? > > > > > On Oct 5, 4:17 pm, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > you need to be WAY more specific than that.. these are (on left) > > > > > "normal" social welfare houses in Germany. The photo is five months or > > > > > so old and is from Grossostheim. > > > > > > your statement is an uninformed, outright lie regardless of your > > > > > source. > > > > > > you need to be country specific. > > > > > > On 10/5/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > And yet... > > > > > > > The Poor in our Country Live in standards that the AVERAGE European > > > > > > does. > > > > > > > Imagine that. > > > > > > > Your ignorance notwithstanding. > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 3:35 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The fact that the poor and elderly constitute the biggest > > > > > > > budgetary > > > > > > > expense is of no relevance when considering their standard of > > > > > > > living. > > > > > > > The pensions they receive are not equivalent to poverty line > > > > > > > wages, > > > > > > > they are an insult. > > > > > > > > There is a problem in that Medicaid, medicare and social welfare > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > increasing at a rate that funds will be exhausted by about 2040. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > problem isn't the programs it is the lack of taxation > > > > > > > contributions > > > > > > > from the wealthy. The top tax rate for business used to be 70%, > > > > > > > now it > > > > > > > is the 35% and with the tax breaks passed by the bush > > > > > > > administration, > > > > > > > 66% of business pay little or no tax at all. > > > > > > > > Because of these policies you have the situation where the top > > > > > > > 10% of > > > > > > > society has 90% of all wealth and the poorest 40% has 0.2% and > > > > > > > the top > > > > > > > 1% owes more than the bottom 90% > > > > > > > > The poor are not the problem, the distribution of the wealth is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > problem. The high tax rates of big business are what underpinned > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > American Dream. If a business is collecting the combined surplus > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > of thousands of workers it has to plough a considerable amount > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > into society in the form of taxes to ensure social harmony. > > > > > > > Extremes > > > > > > > of wealth polarization are incompatible with democratic norms.I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > you oppose such measures but this is the result. Either wealth > > > > > > > distribution is undertaken or you will have revolution on your > > > > > > > hands. > > > > > > > Of course I am banking on the latter. > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 8:29 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Funny, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > You rail on about how bad the Poor have it, and how much Debt we > > > > > > > > have... > > > > > > > > > Yet the Single biggest expenditure in our Budget is to the Poor > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Elderly. > > > > > > > > > Imagine that, we take care of our Poor and Elderly first and > > > > > > > > foremost. > > > > > > > > > No wonder you can't get them to Revolt. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 2:18 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Your debt is double what it was in 1929, and 5.5 million > > > > > > > > > families were > > > > > > > > > not about to loose their homes and you won the war, you are > > > > > > > > > loosing > > > > > > > > > this one, in-fact it has gone on longer than WWII and the > > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > > do not support it. The US is screwed big time. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 8:04 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The point is, that the last time we were this indebted was > > > > > > > > > > during and > > > > > > > > > > directly after a time of War... > > > > > > > > > > > And we are currently at War. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 1:48 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the point Gaar? It paints a very negative picture > > > > > > > > > > > of US debt > > > > > > > > > > > excluding war funding, and another 5.5 million home > > > > > > > > > > > defaults to come. > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of just throwing data about, read what your own > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > experts are saying on Bloomberg's, they are convinced of > > > > > > > > > > > a deep > > > > > > > > > > > prolonged recession. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 7:25 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 12:06 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should avoid paying taxes, as it the working > > > > > > > > > > > > > class that support > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wealthy, which you see very clearly in relation > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the acquisition > > > > > > > > > > > > > of public funds to bail out the parasites on Wall St. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that you are having credit cards shoved down > > > > > > > > > > > > > your throat in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the middle of a credit crisis has its own logic based > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictions of capitalism which you will start to > > > > > > > > > > > > > notice occur on > > > > > > > > > > > > > all sorts of levels and you don't have to be an > > > > > > > > > > > > > account to work it > > > > > > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter how bad the financial situation is, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > banks must lend out > > > > > > > > > > > > > money, that is how they make their profits. So the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact that they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > in trouble makes it even more imperative to do more > > > > > > > > > > > > > business to create > > > > > > > > > > > > > profits and generate liquidity. Of course with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans in record > > > > > > > > > > > > > debt and the proliferation of job loses and housing > > > > > > > > > > > > > defaults, it is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > practice that is bound to backfire, but they have no > > > > > > > > > > > > > other choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Markets and resources are finite, yet capitalism > > > > > > > > > > > > > requires the never > > > > > > > > > > > > > ending expansion of capital, this is just not > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible and this crisis > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of interest in 1929 the US debt was 150% of GDP, > > > > > > > > > > > > > now it is 300%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > About 1,000,000 housing defaults have occurred so > > > > > > > > > > > > > far, while another > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5,000,000 are expected in the next 2 to 3 years. Puts > > > > > > > > > > > > > things in > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective a bit doesn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding a Wall St police, the government and Big > > > > > > > > > > > > > Business are > > > > > > > > > > > > > intertwined to a degree when it is impossible to know > > > > > > > > > > > > > where one ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the other begins. Together they consciously rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > the American > > > > > > > > > > > > > worker blind. The average congressman is worth $3.9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > million, the only > > > > > > > > > > > > > new police force the US public will see is the Nazi > > > > > > > > > > > > > brown shirts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which are in training as we speak in the guise of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Northcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 12:49 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think tha t the IRS will pay each of us for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reporting him? Fat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance. I avoid taxes the way that rich people do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I make income > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disappear...and hopefully into good investments. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think that all the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > politicians have frauded many of the taxpayers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through thist past > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week, I have had three calls from credit card > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies offering to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lend me money, so, unless you are an accountant, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what has been happening. What really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs to happen now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is that there would be a police force on Wall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > street. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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