Let's not foprget that todays loss was something near 8% or so...

In 1986 the one day loss was 27% or so.

Pretty big difference.


On Oct 15, 4:04 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> U.S. Stocks Drop Most Since Crash of 1987 on Recession Concerns
>
> By Lynn Thomasson
>
>  Oct. 15 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks plunged the most since the crash
> of 1987, hammered by the biggest drop in retail sales in three years
> and growing doubt that plans to bail out banks will keep the economic
> slump from deepening.
>
> Exxon Mobil Corp. and Chevron Corp. tumbled more than 12 percent as
> oil fell below $75 a barrel on concern the slowing economy will hurt
> demand. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. retreated 8 percent after the Commerce
> Department said purchases at chain stores decreased 1.2 percent last
> month. Morgan Stanley lost 16 percent after Oppenheimer & Co. analyst
> Meredith Whitney said the government's bank rescue is not a
> ``panacea'' solution.
>
> The Standard & Poor's 500 Index sank 90.17 points, or 9 percent, to
> 907.84, with nine companies declining more than 20 percent. The Dow
> Jones Industrial Average retreated 733.08, or 7.9 percent, to
> 8,577.91, its second-biggest point drop ever. The Nasdaq Composite
> Index lost 150.68, or 8.5 percent, to 1,628.33. About 37 stocks fell
> for each that rose on the New York Stock Exchange.
>
> ``It's absolutely trading on fear right now and uncertainty, because
> nobody knows yet how bad the economy is going to get,'' said John
> Wilson, the co-director of equity strategy at Memphis, Tennessee-based
> Morgan Keegan, which manages $120 billion. ``It's disquieting to me,
> and I've been doing this for 35 years.''
>
> Rally Pared
>
> The retreat over the past two days erased almost all of the gains in
> the S&P 500 and Dow on Oct. 13, when the market rallied the most since
> the 1930s on speculation the government's plan to shore up banks will
> ease the credit crisis. Efforts to calm financial markets probably
> won't result in an immediate economic rebound, Federal Reserve
> Chairman Ben S. Bernanke told the Economic Club of New York.
>
> All 10 S&P 500 industries fell more than 6 percent today. About $1.1
> trillion in value was erased from all U.S. equities. The declines came
> after the drop in retail sales was almost twice economists' estimates,
> sending Macy's Inc. and Dillard's Inc. down more than 15 percent. The
> Federal Reserve's index of New York manufacturing slumped to
> minus-24.6, a record low. The data overshadowed a retreat in money-
> market rates and better-than- estimated earnings reports from JPMorgan
> Chase & Co., Coca-Cola Co. and Intel Corp.
>
> ``A big chunk of our economy is in recession right now,'' said Tom
> Wirth, senior investment officer at Chemung Canal Trust Co. in Elmira,
> New York, which manages $1.5 billion. ``There's fear the Christmas
> season is going to be miserable.''
>
> VIX Jumps
>
> The VIX, as the Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index is
> known, jumped 26 percent to 69.25 for the biggest gain in three weeks.
> The measure, known as Wall Street's ``fear gauge,'' has tripled since
> the beginning of September.
>
> About 1.7 billion shares changed hands on the floor of the NYSE. The
> value of shares traded on the Big Board was $43.3 billion, the lowest
> since Oct. 3.
>
> The S&P 500 lost more points on Sept. 29 when it fell 106.62, while
> its percentage decline of 8.8 percent was less than today's tumble.
>
> Stocks in Europe and Asia fell for the first time in three days,
> helping push the MSCI World Index, a benchmark for 23 developed
> countries, to a 7.3 percent decline. Brazilian stock trading was
> briefly halted after the Bovespa index plunged 10 percent. The index
> closed down 13 percent after trading resumed.
>
> Exxon Mobil, Chevron and ConocoPhillips, the three biggest U.S. oil
> companies, helped lead energy companies to the biggest retreat among
> 10 S&P 500 industries as crude fell below $75 a barrel for the first
> time in more than a year. The Organization of Petroleum Exporting
> Countries cut its 2009 demand forecast for a second month.
>
> Lowest Level
>
> The S&P 500 Energy Index, once the year's best performing industry
> group, retreated 15 percent today for its steepest lost since the
> gauge was created in 1989. It is down 49 percent from its peak in
> May.
>
> Citigroup Inc. fell $2.39, 13 percent, to $16.23 and Morgan Stanley
> slid $3.54 to $18.13 after Oppenheimer's Whitney said the capital
> infusions from the Treasury are ``one large step in the right
> direction,'' though not a ``panacea.''
>
> ``We are at least several quarters away from stabilizing
> fundamentals,'' Whitney wrote in a note dated yesterday. ``Credit
> costs will continue to surprise on the upside and revenues will begin
> to surprise on the downside as companies will be forced to make money
> off of lower asset bases.''
>
> Visa Inc., MasterCard Inc. and American Express Co. had declines
> greater than 11 percent on concern consumers will charge less during
> the holiday season.
>
> JPMorgan Erases Gain
>
> JPMorgan erased earlier gains and fell 5.5 percent to $38.49 even
> after the largest U.S. bank by market value reported quarterly
> earnings that beat analysts' estimates. The company will set aside
> more money to cover loan losses as the lender braces for the economic
> slump to get ``a lot worse,'' Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon
> said.
>
> Jones Apparel Group Inc. lost 30 percent to $9.51, the biggest drop in
> the S&P 500. The maker of Jones New York clothing and Nine West shoes
> forecast profit lower than its previous projection and S&P strongly
> recommended selling the stock.
>
> Dell Inc. dropped 11 percent to $12.58. The world's second- largest
> personal-computer maker was cut to ``neutral'' from overweight by
> JPMorgan analyst Mark Moskowitz. The company gets about 60 percent of
> revenue from personal computers, which is a ``hurdle to achieving
> consistent growth,'' the analyst said.
>
> EBay Inc. retreated 14 percent to $15.33. The largest Internet auction
> company was cut to ``underperform'' at Merrill Lynch & Co., which said
> it doesn't expect ``positive'' third- quarter results or fourth-
> quarter forecast. EBay reports earnings after the official close of
> U.S. exchanges today.
>
> Coke Gains
>
> Coca-Cola Co. climbed 1.1 percent to $44.21 for the only advance in
> the Dow average. The world's largest soft-drink maker posted third-
> quarter per-share profit that exceeded analysts' estimates by 8.1
> percent on increased sales outside the U.S.
>
> Genentech Inc. added 3 percent to $81.50. The largest U.S. maker of
> cancer drugs said third-quarter profit rose 6.7 percent as sales of
> tumor-fighting medicines beat analysts' estimates.
>
> The S&P 500 fell yesterday as a worsening earnings outlook at PepsiCo
> Inc. and Microsoft Corp. overshadowed the $2 trillion global push to
> rescue the financial system. The U.S. is in a recession and the Fed's
> interest-rate stance is aimed at addressing the risks of a deeper
> slump, according to San Francisco Federal Reserve President Janet
> Yellen.
>
> Weakening Economy
>
> The economy deteriorated throughout the U.S. last month and pessimism
> about the outlook spread, the Federal Reserve said in its regional
> economic survey. Retailing, auto sales and tourism declined in
> ``most'' districts, while housing and construction ``weakened or
> remained low,'' according to the Beige Book report, published two
> weeks before officials meet to set interest rates.
>
> Confidence in the global economy plunged in October after a deepening
> freeze in financial markets increased the chances of a recession, a
> survey of Bloomberg users on six continents showed. The Bloomberg
> Professional Global Confidence Index fell to 4 from 11.3 in September,
> the lowest since the survey began in November.
>
> The latest chapter in the credit crisis came when Lehman Brothers
> Holdings Inc. filed the biggest bankruptcy in history on Sept. 15. The
> company's hedge-fund clients are now largely unable to access their
> Lehman accounts even as the value of the securities continues to
> fluctuate along with the markets.
>
> Margin Calls
>
> The investors may be required to put up more collateral if the value
> of those securities drops, a process known as a margin call, according
> to Steven Pearson, the partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers responsible
> for unraveling Lehman's U.K. operations.
>
> Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'s Hedge Fund VIP Basket, an index of stocks
> with the most hedge-fund ownership, slumped 12 percent today.
>
> Dollar money-market rates fell after the European Central Bank, Bank
> of England and Swiss National Bank offered lenders unlimited U.S.
> currency for the first time in a coordinated effort to unlock credit
> markets. Three-month dollar Libor slid 0.09 point to 4.55 percent.
>
> BHP Billiton Ltd., the world's largest mining company, and Xstrata
> Plc, the fourth-biggest copper producer, lost more than 14 percent as
> copper, lead, tin and nickel prices slid on the London Metals
> Exchange. Posco, Asia's third-largest steelmaker, retreated 8.5
> percent.
>
> `Slowing Hard'
>
> ``The rest of the world is slowing and slowing hard, and so that
> translates to basically being underweight the global cyclicals, which
> is energy and materials,'' Binky Chadha, the New York-based chief U.S.
> equity strategist at Deutsche Bank AG, said on Bloomberg Radio.
>
> Merrill Lynch & Co., Honeywell International Inc., Citigroup Inc. and
> Google Inc. are among the S&P 500 companies slated to release earnings
> this week.
>
> The S&P 500 has tumbled 38 percent in 2008 as losses and writedowns
> from mortgage-related investments at financial firms worldwide topped
> $640 billion. The U.S. stock benchmark is valued at 11 times estimated
> 2008 profit for its companies. When that price-to-earnings ratio sank
> to 10.9 on Oct. 10, the index was the cheapest compared with the
> multiple using trailing profit since June 1985.
>
> The S&P 500 has tumbled 42 percent from its Oct. 9, 2007, record and
> the Dow has lost 39 percent from its peak the same day.
>
> ``I'm pretty sure that if I go all in right now, I'll be better off in
> the next six months, but boy, I'll lose some sleep,'' said Morgan ...
>
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