Lew Rockwell is an asshole. --- again we agree. On Friday, January 17, 2014 8:58:06 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Lew Rockwell is arguably a Libertarian, and "PaleoLibertarians" is a > fiction. Lew Rockwell is an asshole. > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Older Libertarian Party >> (US)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(US)> Platform >> stances were more pro-open borders. The 2004 Platform called for "the >> elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the >> Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a >> declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country >> illegally". >> [2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-2> >> Due >> to fears from the 2001 Terrorist attack, this was changed to permit some >> immigration controls. >> >> Within recent times, some >> libertarians<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism>, >> especially >> paleolibertarians<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism> such >> as Lew Rockwell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Rockwell> and Ron >> Paul<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul>, >> have voiced concerns pertaining to the traditional "open borders" policy >> held by most libertarians. Hans-Hermann >> Hoppe<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe> has >> argued much in his writings about open borders being against >> anarcho-capitalist >> theory >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism>.[15]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-15> >> >> The British <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>-based Libertarian >> Alliance <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Alliance> are >> prominent advocates of a restricted immigration policy within a libertarian >> society <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society>. >> [16]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_immigration#cite_note-16> >> >> On 12th January 2009 the Libertarian Party >> (UK)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(UK)> was >> criticized by No Border >> Network<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Border_Network> for >> having authoritarian and anti-libertarian policies on immigration, in >> particular the treatment of asylum seekers. >> >> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:50:40 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >>> The Libertarian Party promotes open borders. (Not Libertarians per-se, >>> but the "Libertarian Party") >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:49 PM, plainolamerican >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> we know who promotes open borders in America. >>>> the same people who promote closed borders in israel. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:42:45 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How tunnels are built, used along US-Mexico border >>>>> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DRUG_TUNNEL_ROBOTS >>>>> _QA?SITE=AP&SECT >>>>> ION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT<http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DRUG_TUNNEL_ROBOTS_QA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By BRIAN SKOLOFF and JACQUES BILLEAUD >>>>> Associated Press >>>>> >>>>> NOGALES, Ariz. (AP) -- As border security has tightened, drug cartels >>>>> have >>>>> turned to tunneling beneath the ground to avoid detection. >>>>> >>>>> Nearly 170 tunnels have been found nationwide since 1990, most along >>>>> the >>>>> Arizona and California border with Mexico. The job of searching these >>>>> networks can be dangerous, so the U.S. Border Patrol is unveiling its >>>>> latest >>>>> technology in the underground war - a wireless, camera-equipped robot >>>>> that >>>>> can do the job in a fraction of the time. >>>>> >>>>> HOW ARE THEY BUILT? >>>>> >>>>> Tunnel construction ranges from extremely rudimentary, a small burrow >>>>> dug by >>>>> hand sometimes only large enough for a person to crawl through, to very >>>>> sophisticated, including lights, supports to hold up the ceiling and >>>>> ventilation. They can range from just a few feet stretching from one >>>>> side of >>>>> the border to the other, to up to a quarter mile long. >>>>> >>>>> Some tunnels merely go from one side of the border to the other with >>>>> the >>>>> contraband being offloaded in a field or on public land, while others >>>>> exit >>>>> into warehouses or homes along the border. >>>>> >>>>> Miners and other laborers hired by cartels use hoes, jackhammers, >>>>> shovels >>>>> and picks to gouge out soil and load the dirt into buckets that are >>>>> brought >>>>> back out of the tunnel's starting point in Mexico. Their tools are >>>>> old-fashioned and can be bought at home improvement stores. Miners, for >>>>> instance, must use compasses because GPS devices don't work >>>>> underground. >>>>> >>>>> Smugglers have dug dozens of crude tunnels in Nogales, Ariz., that >>>>> begin in >>>>> Mexico and tie into the Arizona city's storm drainage system. >>>>> >>>>> For sophisticated tunnels, such as those found near San Diego, cartels >>>>> will >>>>> hire engineers and miners to build the tunnels. A cartel will have a >>>>> financier or a cell that reports to the cartel bosses and runs the >>>>> construction. >>>>> >>>>> U.S. border officials estimate that the more sophisticated tunnels >>>>> probably >>>>> cost between $2 million to $3 million to build. >>>>> >>>>> HOW TUNNELS ARE USED? >>>>> >>>>> Smuggling groups use tunnels to move drugs, guns and people who want to >>>>> sneak across the U.S. border, though traffickers are sometimes >>>>> selective >>>>> about what they will move through their tunnels. >>>>> >>>>> Experts say sophisticated tunnels are used for mostly drug and gun >>>>> smuggling, though people who don't want to risk traveling above ground >>>>> will >>>>> occasionally be sneaked through those tunnels. >>>>> >>>>> Cocaine and methamphetamine are brought in through the tunnels, but >>>>> marijuana - which is big and bulky and therefore difficult to move - >>>>> is the >>>>> most prevalent drug transported through the tunnels. >>>>> >>>>> Authorities found a 600-yard tunnel in Southern California during >>>>> November >>>>> 2011 that resulted in seizures of 32 tons of marijuana on both sides >>>>> of the >>>>> border, with 26 tons found on the U.S. side, accounting for one of the >>>>> largest marijuana busts in U.S. history. That tunnel was equipped with >>>>> electric railcars, lighting and ventilation while wooden planks lined >>>>> the >>>>> floor. >>>>> >>>>> Immigrant smugglers use "gopher hole" tunnels made up of huge PVC >>>>> pipes that >>>>> are buried underground and span the border, providing enough space >>>>> through >>>>> which a person can barely squeeze. >>>>> >>>>> The storm-drain tunnels in places like Nogales are used for both >>>>> immigrant >>>>> and drug smuggling. >>>>> >>>>> HOW ARE TUNNELS DISCOVERED? >>>>> >>>>> The majority of tunnels are found by human intelligence, either by >>>>> Mexican >>>>> or U.S. authorities patrolling the border and noticing the ground has >>>>> been >>>>> disturbed, or through informants who tip authorities to their presence. >>>>> >>>>> HOW ARE TUNNELS EXPLORED AND INVESTIGATED ONCE THEY'RE LOCATED? >>>>> >>>>> So-called tunnel robots have been in use by Border Patrol for several >>>>> years. >>>>> They can safely navigate through corrugated pipes, tunnels, and >>>>> drainage >>>>> systems while an agent controls the device from the surface, seeing >>>>> what the >>>>> robot sees on a handheld screen. The robots are used, in part, as a >>>>> safety >>>>> measure to keep agents out of harm's way as many tunnels can be poorly >>>>> built >>>>> and possibly collapse and lack proper ventilation. >>>>> >>>>> They also can navigate an underground labyrinth in a fraction of the >>>>> time it >>>>> would take an agent to explore the tunnel. Some of the newer robots, >>>>> which >>>>> weigh about 12 pounds and can navigate through passageways that are >>>>> only >>>>> several feet wide, are being deployed this year across southern >>>>> Arizona and >>>>> California. >>>>> >>>>> Source: U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Immigration and >>>>> Customs >>>>> Enforcement. >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> ========================================== >>>>> (F)AIR USE NOTICE: All original content and/or articles and graphics >>>>> in this >>>>> message are copyrighted, unless specifically noted otherwise. All >>>>> rights to >>>>> these copyrighted items are reserved. 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