Ask yourself, "What could the federal government be billing this man close to a million dollars for? Cows eating grass?"
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > There's Nothing Conservative About Cliven Bundy > > Bundy cloaks himself in the conservative rhetoric of liberty, and > unfortunately some prominent conservatives have been suckered in by his > nonsense. Sean Hannity had Bundy on for two > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=armAcbEO1PE#t=255>softball > interviews<http://liberalvideo.com/2014/04/11/rancher-clive-bundy-details-case/>, > and articles in conservative publications like the National > Review<http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/375783/bundy-ranch-stand-rich-lowry>and > American > Thinker<http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/04/cliven_bundy_and_eric_holders_rule_of_law.html>blamed > the federal government for the Bundy situation. Most conservatives > see Bundy for the dangerous knave he is, but that even a few sympathize > with an armed rebel is troubling, since armed lawlessness is the opposite > of conservative values. > > Conservatives value freedom, but understand that freedom is only possible > in a lawful society. Lincoln, a conservative and the first Republican > President, described lawfulness as a civil religion. Edmund Burke, arguably > the first modern conservative, criticized the French Revolution for many > reasons, but one was that the revolutionaries ignored the laws of their > society and instead enforced their moral principles. > > Modern American conservatives have always understood this part of Burke's > philosophy. In 1968, Richard Nixon campaigned against race riots and > chaotic student protests, casting the Democrats as apologists for the > lawlessness. Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, one of Republican's most > reliable campaign arguments was that liberals made excuses for criminals > while conservatives punished them. > > Even assuming that Bundy and his supporters are correct that the laws > about cattle grazing are unfair, overly bureaucratic, and oppressively > burdensome to farmers, Bundy is a selfish radical, denying the rule of law > because it is inconvenient for him. > > The arguments conservatives are making for Bundy -- that he is being > provoked by the government and reacting against unfair laws -- are exactly > the same arguments some liberals made to support violent black power > movements and to argue for leniency for common criminals. The arguments > were weak then and are just as weak today. As a democratic citizen, Bundy > can fight unfair laws by voting for candidates who oppose them. If they > truly offend him, he can move to another country. But as long as he chooses > to live in America and get the protection of our laws, he agrees to live by > them. > > Democracy has a place for social disobedience, but not for armed > insurrection. Democratic social disobedience must take place in the model > of Socrates, who willingly submitted to his execution after being convicted > by an Athenian jury of subverting the youth through his teachings. > Socrates's supporters urged him to flee, but he explained that as an > Athenian citizen he must obey the laws of Athens no matter how unfair. > > Bundy is free to be a martyr for his beliefs, but martyrs accept > punishment. What Bundy and his followers are doing makes them violent, > radical criminals. In a sensible world, an armed mob that confronted > federal agents would be asked to disperse, and then arrested if they > refused. If the mob resisted arrest, they would be put down as quickly as > George Washington put down the Whiskey Rebellion. > > But the government was not sensible. Instead, Bundy's cattle were > returned<http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/04/14/Feds-give-in-release-cattle-seized-from-Nevada-rancher-who-refused-their-authority/8431397503860/>and > armed intimidation defeated the rule of law. Hopefully, that mistake > will soon change and Bundy and his followers will end up where criminals > belong -- a cramped prison cell. > > > On Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:24:44 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> Harry Reid, Hil Clinton, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Plain Ol are all >> calling for Bundy's arrest and prosecution..... >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:02 PM, plainolamerican >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Bundy is a criminal that should be prosecuted. >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:03:40 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Volubrjotr posted: " Federal government terrorists masquerading as >>>> Bureau of Land Management employees left a devastating trail of destruction >>>> on Bundy Ranch including the murder of two of Cliven Bundy’s cattle as well >>>> as destroying property as shown in the FOX news video" >>>> >>>> New post on *Political Vel Craft* >>>> <http://politicalvelcraft.org/author/volubrjotr/> Breaking => Reid’s >>>> Federal Agents Dig Mass Grave & Slaughter Bundy Cattle With Assault >>>> Weapons:<http://politicalvelcraft.org/2014/04/16/breaking-reids-federal-agents-dig-mass-grave-slaughter-bundy-cattle-with-assault-weapons/> >>>> by >>>> Volubrjotr <http://politicalvelcraft.org/author/volubrjotr/> >>>> >>>> Federal government terrorists masquerading as Bureau of Land Management >>>> employees left a devastating trail of destruction on Bundy Ranch including >>>> the murder of two of Cliven Bundy’s cattle as well as destroying property >>>> as shown in the FOX news video below. 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