I'll save this thread, and remind you of it the next time there is another terror attack on our shores. It's going to happen, I just pray it's not as intense or as significant as I fear. ---- your fear has been noted. and I will remind you of the failed interventionist policy that creates more terrorism on our shores. call it revenge or retaliation ... but don't complain about the way the fight back.
when the shooting starts, good luck differentiating between jew and muslim. On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:19:35 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > I'll save this thread, and remind you of it the next time there is > another terror attack on our shores. It's going to happen, I just pray > it's not as intense or as significant as I fear. > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:17 AM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> The U.S. is now in full-scale retreat from what used to be called the war >> on terror, with new limits on the use of drones in Pakistan, new curbs on >> the National Security Agency, and now this. If there is another attack, the >> American public should know who was responsible for the policy retreat that >> made it harder to prevent. >> --- >> LOL! >> >> it's fun to watch the warmongering interventionists scramble. >> >> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:02:38 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230431120457950 >>> 7393976730268?mod=Opinion_newsreel_4 >>> >>> *NYPD Blind New York Dismantles Another Post-9/11 Antiterror Policy* >>> >>> New York’s new mayor, Bill de Blasio, has an interesting sense of >>> timing. Tuesday was the first anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombing, >>> in which two Muslim brothers from Cambridge murdered four people and >>> injured nearly 300. The same day, Mr. de Blasio’s new police commissioner, >>> William Bratton, announced that his department is formally disbanding an >>> antiterror surveillance unit started in the wake of 9/11. >>> >>> This is being hailed by the usual suspects as a triumph for civil >>> liberties, but it’s really a bow to political correctness that removes an >>> important defense for a city that has stopped at least 16 terror plots >>> since 9/11. It’s also more fallout from a series of sensationalist >>> Associated Press stories from 2011 that were riddled with distortions and >>> have since been rebuked by a federal judge. >>> >>> Some background: After the attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and >>> 2001, the NYPD concluded that it couldn’t rely on the FBI and CIA to do its >>> antiterror work. New York was the target of choice for Islamist terrorists >>> and sometimes also their home. “Blind Sheikh” Omar Abdel-Rahman, who was a >>> spiritual leader to the 1993 bombers, preached from three mosques in New >>> York. Several of the 9/11 hijackers lived in Paterson, N.J., only miles >>> from the George Washington bridge. >>> >>> The result was a strikingly successful effort, under former police >>> commissioner Ray Kelly, to keep all New Yorkers safe. Part of that effort >>> involved a small “Demographics Unit” (later renamed the “Zone Assessment >>> Unit”) to keep an eye on “hot spots” and “venues of radicalization,” >>> including mosques, bookstores, barbershops and other public places. The >>> point wasn’t to spy on entire communities, which the unit—with never more >>> than 16 officers—lacked the resources to do in any case. It was to keep an >>> eye on places where terrorists would seek to blend in. >>> >>> Such police work might seem like ordinary prudence, but critics alleged >>> the program was unconstitutional and ineffective. The first claim stems >>> from ignorance of the “Handschu” rules on police surveillance, overseen by >>> a federal judge, which note that to prevent terrorist acts “the NYPD must, >>> at times, initiate investigations in advance of unlawful conduct” and >>> permits officer “to visit any place and attend any event that is open to >>> the public.” >>> >>> >>> >>> The NYPD has never been charged with violating the Handschu rules. In >>> February, federal Judge William Martini dismissed a lawsuit brought by >>> several Muslim associations and businesses claiming they had been >>> stigmatized by the surveillance. The judge noted that whatever harm >>> suffered by the plaintiffs “flow from the Associated Press’s unauthorized >>> disclosure” of the work of the Demographics Unit. “The harms are not >>> ‘fairly traceable’ to any act of surveillance.” >>> >>> Also false is the claim that the unit was ineffective. “The Demographics >>> Unit was critical in identifying the Islamic Books and Tapes bookstore in >>> Brooklyn as a venue for radicalization,” Mitchell Silber, a former NYPD >>> director of intelligence analysis, noted in Commentary magazine. >>> “Information the unit collected about the store provided a predicate for an >>> investigation that thwarted a 2004 plot against the Herald Square subway >>> station.” >>> >>> Critics of the program claim that the Demographics Unit never >>> contributed to direct “leads,” but this ignores the painstaking process of >>> evidentiary accretion, which is how all law enforcement, particularly of >>> the preventive kind, has always worked. >>> >>> After the Boston bombings, we learned that one of the bombers, Tamerlan >>> Tsarnaev, had twice had outbursts in his Cambridge, Mass., mosque, in one >>> case denouncing a speaker as a kafir, or unbeliever, for comparing Martin >>> Luther King Jr. to the Prophet Muhammad. A spokesman for the mosque later >>> told the Boston Globe that he didn’t think the comment merited police >>> attention; perhaps a policeman in the mosque would have reached a different >>> conclusion. >>> >>> The U.S. is now in full-scale retreat from what used to be called the >>> war on terror, with new limits on the use of drones in Pakistan, new curbs >>> on the National Security Agency, and now this. If there is another attack, >>> the American public should know who was responsible for the policy retreat >>> that made it harder to prevent. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:01 PM, plainolamerican >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> demanded that spying on mosques be stopped because >>>> --- >>>> NEW YORK (AP) — In more than six years of spying on Muslim >>>> neighborhoods, eavesdropping on conversations and cataloguing mosques, the >>>> New York Police Department's secret Demographics Unit never generated a >>>> lead or triggered a terrorism investigation, the department acknowledged >>>> in >>>> court testimony unsealed late Monday. >>>> >>>> The Demographics Unit is at the heart of a police spying program, built >>>> with help from the CIA, which assembled databases on where Muslims lived, >>>> shopped, worked and prayed. Police infiltrated Muslim student groups, put >>>> informants in mosques, monitored sermons and catalogued every Muslim in >>>> New >>>> York who adopted new, Americanized surnames. >>>> >>>> Police hoped the Demographics Unit would serve as an early warning >>>> system for terrorism. And if police ever got a tip about, say, an Afghan >>>> terrorist in the city, they'd know where he was likely to rent a room, buy >>>> groceries and watch sports. >>>> >>>> But in a June 28 deposition as part of a longstanding federal civil >>>> rights case, Assistant Chief Thomas Galati said none of the conversations >>>> the officers overheard ever led to a case. >>>> >>>> "Related to Demographics," Galati testified that information that has >>>> come in "has not commenced an investigation." >>>> >>>> The NYPD is the largest police department in the nation and Mayor >>>> Michael Bloomberg has held up its counterterrorism tactics as a model for >>>> the rest of the country. After The Associated Press began reporting on >>>> those tactics last year, supporters argued that the Demographics Unit was >>>> central to keeping the city safe. Galati testified that it was an >>>> important >>>> tool, but conceded it had not generated any leads. >>>> >>>> "I never made a lead from rhetoric that came from a Demographics >>>> report, and I'm here since 2006," he said. "I don't recall other ones >>>> prior >>>> to my arrival. Again, that's always a possibility. I am not aware of any." >>>> >>>> Galati, the commanding officer of the NYPD Intelligence Division, >>>> offered the first official look at the Demographics Unit, which the NYPD >>>> denied ever existed when it was revealed by the AP last year. He described >>>> how police gather information on people even when there is no evidence of >>>> wrongdoing, simply because of their ethnicity and native language. >>>> >>>> As a rule, Galati said, a business can be labeled a "location of >>>> concern" whenever police can expect to find groups of Middle Easterners >>>> there. >>>> >>>> Galati testified as part of a lawsuit that began in 1971 over NYPD >>>> spying on students, civil rights groups and suspected Communist >>>> sympathizers during the 1950s and 1960s. The lawsuit, known as the >>>> Handschu >>>> case, resulted in federal guidelines that prohibit the NYPD from >>>> collecting >>>> information about political speech unless it is related to potential >>>> terrorism. >>>> >>>> Civil rights lawyers believe the Demographics Unit violated those >>>> rules. Documents obtained by the AP show the unit conducted operations >>>> outside its jurisdiction, including in New Jersey. The FBI there said >>>> those >>>> operations damaged its partnerships with Muslims and jeopardized national >>>> security. >>>> >>>> In one instance discussed in the testimony, plainclothes NYPD officers >>>> known as "rakers" overheard two Pakistani men complaining about airport >>>> security policies that they believed unfairly singled out Muslims. They >>>> bemoaned what they saw as the nation's anti-Muslim sentiment since the >>>> 2001 >>>> terrorist attacks. >>>> >>>> Galati said police were allowed to collect that information because the >>>> men spoke Urdu, a fact that could help police find potential terrorists in >>>> the future. >>>> >>>> "I'm seeing Urdu. I'm seeing them identify the individuals involved in >>>> that are Pakistani," Galati explained. "I'm using that information for me >>>> to determine that this would be a kind of place that a terrorist would be >>>> comfortable in." >>>> >>>> He added, "Most Urdu speakers from that region would be of concern, so >>>> that's why it's important to me." >>>> >>>> About 15 million Pakistanis and 60 million Indians speak Urdu. Along >>>> with English, it is one of the national languages of Pakistan. >>>> >>>> In another example, Galati said, eavesdropping on a conversation in a >>>> Lebanese cafe could be useful, even if the topic is innocuous. Analysts >>>> might be able to determine that the customers were from South Lebanon, he >>>> said, adding, "That may be an indicator of possibility that that is a >>>> sympathizer to Hezbollah because Southern Lebanon is dominated by >>>> Hezbollah." >>>> >>>> After the AP began reporting on the Demographics Unit, the department's >>>> former senior analyst, Mitchell Silber, said the unit provided the tip >>>> that >>>> ultimately led to a case against a bookstore clerk who was convicted of >>>> plotting to bomb the Herald Square subway station in Manhattan. Galati >>>> testified that he could find no evidence of that. >>>> >>>> Attorney Jethro Eisenstein, who filed the Handschu case more than 40 >>>> years ago and questioned Galati during the deposition, said he will go >>>> back >>>> to court soon to ask that the Demographics Unit be shut down. It operates >>>> today under a new name, the Zone Assessment Unit. It recently stopped >>>> operating out of state, Galati said. >>>> >>>> "This is a terribly pernicious set of policies," Eisenstein said. "No >>>> other group since the Japanese Americans in World War II has been >>>> subjected >>>> to this kind of widespread public policy." >>>> >>>> try again ... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, April 21, 2014 2:26:10 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Garbage Bag Gertie" >>>>> BareNakedIslam posted: " Like many participants in the Boston >>>>> Marathon on Monday, Leanne Scorzoni will be running to honor the victims >>>>> of >>>>> last year’s bombing. But Scorzoni will also be running in a hijab: she >>>>> converted to Islam after the attack, and wants her participation to em" >>>>> >>>>> New post on *BARE NAKED ISLAM* >>>>> <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> BOSTON MARATHON: Woman who >>>>> converted to Islam in honor of the Boston bombings is running the race >>>>> this >>>>> year wearing a Muslim >>>>> headbag<http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/21/boston-marathon-woman-who-converted-to-islam-in-honor-of-the-boston-bombings-is-running-the-race-this-year-wearing-a-muslim-headbag/> >>>>> by >>>>> BareNakedIslam <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> >>>>> >>>>> Like many participants in the Boston Marathon on Monday, Leanne >>>>> Scorzoni will be running to honor the victims of last year’s bombing. But >>>>> Scorzoni will also be running in a hijab: she converted to Islam after >>>>> the >>>>> attack, and wants her participation to emphasize that Boston’s Muslim >>>>> community was also hurt by the bombings. 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