goofy is attacking other nations and expecting to get away without American casualties.
enjoy your silly religious war with the muzzies. On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:53:06 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> When is the last time you have been to Europe? You need to see first >> hand how the Islamic Culture refuses to acclimate into European society. >> --- >> oh, like the way the muzzies, jews spics and host of other cultures and >> religions acclimate into American society? >> your old war with the muzzies is old and produces nothing but hate and >> death. >> but it's fun to watch christians scramble with jews against the muzzies. >> >> >> You need to witness first hand what is going to happen here soon. It's >> already beginning, and it is folks like you who see no danger; no "Threat" >> that is a part and parcel of the problem. >> --- >> Americans have witnessed the dangers brought upon our nation by >> warmongering christians and jews. >> choose sides carefully. >> >> >> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:31:26 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> When is the last time you have been to Europe? You need to see first >>> hand how the Islamic Culture refuses to acclimate into European society. >>> You need to witness first hand what is going to happen here soon. It's >>> already beginning, and it is folks like you who see no danger; no "Threat" >>> that is a part and parcel of the problem. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:23 AM, plainolamerican >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> You're "terrified" because you are naïve and pitifully uninformed >>>> about world events. >>>> --- >>>> accusation noted. >>>> you are a warmongering interventionist that doesn't understand that >>>> violence begets violence. >>>> >>>> >>>> It would do you good to get out and travel around the world and see >>>> some of these places Plain Ol'. >>>> --- >>>> I've traveled ... but I have no desire to visit the animals in the >>>> middle east who extort our weapons and tax dollars. >>>> those in our government who give them our weapons and tax dollars >>>> should be replaced with honorable Americans. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:43:31 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You're "terrified" because you are naïve and pitifully uninformed >>>>> about world events. It would do you good to get out and travel around >>>>> the >>>>> world and see some of these places Plain Ol'. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 3:33 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Today, these obscure disputes have the potential of escalating into >>>>>> the kind of nuclear nightmare that most people are justifiably terrified >>>>>> by. This limits the activities of empire builders if both sides have >>>>>> nukes >>>>>> and remain rational. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> AMD still exists and no, we're not terrified. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, April 21, 2014 2:28:18 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20140421.aspx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *The Empires Strike Back At Each Other* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> April 21, 2014: The defining characteristic of the early 21st >>>>>>> century can best be described as; “The Empires Strike Back.” This is >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> about the four empires (Russian, Chinese, Iranian and the Islamic >>>>>>> Caliphate) that are trying to reconstitute themselves and causing >>>>>>> trouble >>>>>>> for each other and the rest of the world in the process. For many >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> this is something of a shock, because in the 1990s all the talk was of >>>>>>> “the >>>>>>> end of empire.” That’s because in 1991 the last of the great empires, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> old Tsarist Empire dissolved as the Soviet Union came apart. This meant >>>>>>> that half the population of that empire went off and formed 14 new >>>>>>> countries (or reconstituted old ones the Russians had conquered). For >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> last decade Russian leaders have made no secret of the fact that they >>>>>>> want >>>>>>> to rebuild this empire. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> China has been doing the same. The old Chinese Empire fell apart in >>>>>>> 1911. Actually the Chinese Empire had been falling apart for over a >>>>>>> century >>>>>>> before that and the 1911 revolution was the blow it never recovered >>>>>>> from. >>>>>>> But in the 21st Century recovering lost bits of the empire has become >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> popular in China. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Iranian Empire has been around for thousands of years but was >>>>>>> constantly being torn apart because of revolutions and civil wars and >>>>>>> occasional overwhelming invasion. Thus the very empire-minded Iranian >>>>>>> monarchy succumbed in 1979 to revolution and a religious dictatorship >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> is now trying to expand Iranian imperial power in the name of Islam as >>>>>>> well >>>>>>> as Iranian nationalism. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which brings us to the growing popularity of Islamic radicalism >>>>>>> which is inspired, in part, by the century’s old desire to restore the >>>>>>> ancient Caliphate (one civil/religious leader for all Islamic peoples). >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> original caliphate lasted, despite many civil wars and rebellions, from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> 7th to the 10th century. By then the factionalism within the Moslem >>>>>>> world >>>>>>> made it impossible to maintain the unity of the original caliphate. So >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> over a thousand years the impossible dream of many Moslems has been to >>>>>>> reconstitute the caliphate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another problem with all these imperial wannabes is that cultural >>>>>>> diversity has long been a source of internal problems and trying to >>>>>>> absorb >>>>>>> more minorities is a sure recipe for eventual failure. Iran as it is >>>>>>> currently constituted is only about 50 percent ethnic Iranian. These >>>>>>> rest >>>>>>> of the population is Turkic, Arab and various smaller ethnicities. >>>>>>> These >>>>>>> minorities are often the main source of internal problems. Even Russia, >>>>>>> after losing half it’s (largely non-Russian) population in 1991 is >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> about twenty percent non-Russian and these minorities are constantly >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> accused of disloyalty. Even China is only 90 percent Han Chinese (as is >>>>>>> about 20 percent of the human race) and non-Han minorities are not well >>>>>>> tolerated. One reason the Islamic caliphate has such a hard time >>>>>>> reconstituting is that the spread of Islam caused lots of local >>>>>>> mutations. >>>>>>> There’s no Islamic “pope” or generally recognized religious authority >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> decide which local flavor of Islam is a little too eccentric to be >>>>>>> considered real Islam. Thus the only viable method of restoring the >>>>>>> caliphate is via force and that has never proved to be practical. The >>>>>>> current generation of Islamic radicals believe that, because they are >>>>>>> on a >>>>>>> Mission From God, there will some form of divine intervention to make >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> all happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many believed the 20th century was the end of empires. World War I >>>>>>> ended with the demise of the German, Austro-Hungarian and Russian >>>>>>> Empires. >>>>>>> In the 1920s the new communist government of Russia (rebranded as the >>>>>>> Soviet Union) reconstituted most of the old tsarist empire. Hitler came >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> power in the 1930s and then spent a disastrous decade trying to >>>>>>> reconstitute the German Empire. After World War II most European >>>>>>> countries >>>>>>> with empires realized these imperial artifacts were very expensive >>>>>>> luxuries >>>>>>> and by the 1970s they were all gone. Britain was the first to dispose >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> its empire, having gone over government accounts towards the end of the >>>>>>> war >>>>>>> and realized that the empire had been a money loser for decades but no >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> bothered to make an issue of it. But in 1945 Britain was broke from the >>>>>>> expense of two World Wars and really had no choice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Chinese Empire had officially cased doing business in 1911 and >>>>>>> several parts of it, like Tibet, soon asserted their independence. But >>>>>>> many >>>>>>> Chinese never forgot the imperial glories. The Chinese government, like >>>>>>> their counterparts in Russia, Iran and the Islamic world are calling >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the return of past glories and power in order to distract people from >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> immediate realities (corruption, bad government and a long list of >>>>>>> related >>>>>>> complaints). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The big problem all four of these empire building efforts have is >>>>>>> with each other. Not only does China have claims on Russia, but Russia >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> claims on territory (the five new states that used to be the Soviet >>>>>>> holdings in Central Asia) that China has a growing economic interest >>>>>>> in. >>>>>>> These five Moslem “stans” (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, >>>>>>> Turkmenistan >>>>>>> and Uzbekistan) do not want to be part of any new Russian empire and >>>>>>> prefer >>>>>>> doing business with China. That’s yet another point of conflict between >>>>>>> Russia and China. Then there are the longstanding disputes between Iran >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Russia over Azerbaijan and control of the Caspian Sea. Russia and Iran >>>>>>> have never really been on good terms and many of the hardline Islamic >>>>>>> radicals running Iran see Russia as the enemy simply because Russia is >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> openly Christian (the Soviets were openly atheistic, which was nearly >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> bad). Religion is an even bigger issue between Iran and the caliphate >>>>>>> crowd. Iran believes that it, the leader of Shia Islam (10 percent of >>>>>>> Moslems) should lead the new caliphate. That bothers al Qaeda and other >>>>>>> Sunni (80 percent of Moslems) caliphate fans. This is more than just a >>>>>>> religious dispute, for oil-rich Arab states across the Persian Gulf >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> Iran fear that Iran seeks to control the Arab oil one way or another, >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> addition to the most sacred Moslem holy places that the Saud family has >>>>>>> controlled since the 1920s. To further complicate matters both China >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Russia have problems with Islamic terrorism. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then there are the nukes. Since 1945 there has been a nuclear peace. >>>>>>> That means the mere presence of nuclear weapons has restrained the >>>>>>> major >>>>>>> powers from military adventures that, in the past, they would have >>>>>>> casually >>>>>>> entered into. It remains to be seen if the risk of accidental or >>>>>>> unintended >>>>>>> nuclear war is worth the gain of some lost real estate. Indications are >>>>>>> that the inhibiting effect of nuclear weapons is wearing off, >>>>>>> especially as >>>>>>> more nations obtain these weapon. The major powers continue to get more >>>>>>> involved in traditional demonstrations of military power. Gunboat >>>>>>> diplomacy >>>>>>> was risky enough in the past when major power military units confronted >>>>>>> each other in far off places over minor issues. Today, these obscure >>>>>>> disputes have the potential of escalating into the kind of nuclear >>>>>>> nightmare that most people are justifiably terrified by. 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