>From November 8, 2011:
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Good Morning Mark! > > There are some folks who, when confronted with or dealing with a law, > doctrine, manifesto, or just plainol' common sense; they just downright > refuse to accept it. Law abiding citizens, who, when they don't like the > law, act like the law does not apply to them. > > Such is the case here, where the Constitution clearly mandates that > a fundamental, primary tenet; *e.g*.; the very security of our borders > and our people, by a "central/federal" government, there are those > individuals who just downright refuse to accept this as fact, even when it > is a very part of our Constitution. > > We've been down this road before: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/528381ba91151a01/6975eafc081309e1?hl=enᬿeafc081309e1 > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/db218d176a3fea96 > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:22 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Yelling does little for your delusion. >> Migration, of course, is one of those (natural) rights. >> >> Maybe THAT is the problem. You simply do not understand/grasp (natural) >> rights. >> >> I certainly did not 'consent' ... the same applies for MOST within this >> Country. >> >> You might seek out some Spooner, as well. >> >> Regard$, >> --MJ >> >> "By what right do men exercise power over each other?" -- Auberon Herbert >> >> >> >> >> At 09:18 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote: >> >> SHOW ME THE MAP OF THE WORLD THAT DOES NOT HAVE THOSE LINES... YOUR >> ARGUMENT IS BASED IN FANTASY... MINE IN REALITY... "CONSENT OF THE >> GOVERNED" MEANS EXACTLY THAT.... "NO GOVERNMENT.....NO GOVERNED" , "NO >> GOVERNED....NO GOVERNMENT" >> >> THIS REQUIRES CITIZENSHIP OR CONSENT (2 WAY...NOT 1 WAY STREET) TO BE >> GOVERNED... A FOREIGN NATIONAL WITHOUT THAT 2 WAY CONSENT IS ILLEGAL >> >> PLEASE TAKE A READING COMPREHENSION CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> JUST NOTICED THE CAPS....SORRY. >> >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You remain confused. To Secure (natural) rights ... Governments are >> instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the >> governed, Governments are created to secure (natural) rights. >> You want Government to VIOLATE (natural) rights ... and then insert some >> nonsense about voting and map lines. >> INSTEAD of securing (natural) rights, you want Government to extend and >> withhold permission -- which has NOTHING to do with the Declaration et al. >> >> Regard$, >> --MJ >> >> A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which can >> be exercised without anyone's permission. If you exist only because society >> permits you to exist, you have no right to your own life. A permission can >> be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain >> the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such permission is >> granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not >> a right. -- Alyssa Rosenbaum >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 04:47 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote: >> >> Hey MJ'..... It's right HERE: >> >> That to secure these rights, >> Governments are instituted among Men,,,,,,,,,,,,deriving their just >> powers from the consent of the governed >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_of_the_governed> >> >> >> Foreign nationals are not "Governed" nor can they "Vote". Please read >> and heed the Documents you try to quote. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: At >> 12:26 PM 11/4/2011, you wrote: >> >> MJ says: They argue that we can't have people circumventing the system >> because it undermines the rule of law. But laws are legitimate only when >> they protect the natural rights of others. >> Laws are designed to protect the natural rights of that countries citizens... >> Definitely NOT "natural rights of others." >> >> > Where was THAT portion of the Declaration? > > Regard$, > --MJ > > It is a very dangerous doctrine to consider the judges as the ultimate > arbiters of all constitutional questions. It is one which would place us > under the despotism of an oligarchy. ... The Constitution has erected no > such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the > corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. 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