This is from a separate thread, dated October 29,, 2010: On Friday, October 29, 2010 8:32:57 PM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > We have a perfect bunch of congressmen we can assign to permanent duty as > alien greeters and satisfyers. > > ==== > > <Grin>!!! > > > > >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Jonathan! >>> >>> I switched threads on ya, but I wanted to come back to what Michael >>> wrote earlier. >>> >>> Uhm...I don't think that is the clause that you are looking for there >>> Jonathan...<Grin>!! >>> >>> Two of the clauses that I was referencing earlier, are these: >>> >>> Article One, Section Eight, Clause 3: >>> >>> To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several >>> States, and with the Indian Tribes; >>> >>> and. >>> >>> Article One, Section Eight, Clause 3: >>> "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the >>> subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States"; >>> >>> Clearly, we all know, (accept for Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews) >>> that the Congress has the ability to regulate damn near everything under >>> the Commerce Clause, or at least the Courts have interpreted it as such. >>> There has been some reversals of this doctrine, with the *Lopez* Case >>> and *Sullivan v. Louisiana*, but the Congress has wide latitude. >>> >>> The Congress has regulated immigration, including the ability to >>> immigrate into our Nation, since 1796, when it passed the "Uniform Rule of >>> Naturalization of 1795". >>> >>> What we have now, is those socialists and Marxists, and a few who are >>> just downright ignorant of our laws, (Again, *See* >>> Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews) especially our Constitution, who >>> have usurped power and corrupted our Congress, but I won't dwell on this >>> tonight, hopefully we have a new start here next week. >>> >>> There is also Article 1 Section 8, Clause 1; which states in part: >>> >>> "The Congress shall have the duty to.....[P]rovide for the common >>> Defence and general Welfare of the United States" >>> >>> Of course, this Clause shoots Michael's whole theory down, that the >>> Preamble is nothing but fluff, and, as Michael stated, "There is no assign >>> of Power contained within this 'mission statement' -- implied, inferred nor >>> stated." >>> >>> Obviously, there is, and this was pointed out to Michael on May 11th of >>> this year: >>> >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/db218d176a3fea96 >>> >>> >>> >>> With regard to your "invasion" definition....I think that definition is >>> still accurate. I would submit that there are numbers of illegal >>> immigrants who have the intent to cause harm, damage and some have the >>> intention of trying to cause a catastrophe, and/or they intend on trying to >>> force the United States into ceding a portion of the Southwestern United >>> States back to Mexico, or form some third world Nation-State. I think this >>> qualifies as being invaded, and we have not only a right, but a duty to >>> protect our borders from this invasion. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> .... >>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Jonathan Ashley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Keith, >>>> >>>> You are stretching the definition of "invasion" beyond belief. >>>> >>>> 1828 definition: >>>> >>>> *INVASION*, n. s as z. [L. invasio, from invado. See Invade.] >>>> 1. A hostile entrance into the possessions of another; particularly, >>>> the entrance of a hostile army into a country for the purpose of conquest >>>> or plunder, or the attack of a military force. The north of England and >>>> south of Scotland were for centuries subject to invasion, each from the >>>> other. The invasion of England by William the Norman, was in 1066. 2. >>>> An attack on the rights of another; infringement or violation. 3. >>>> Attack of a disease; as the invasion of the plague, in Egypt. >>>> >>>> However, in re-reading the Constitution, I did find the following in >>>> Article I, Section 9: >>>> >>>> "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now >>>> existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the >>>> Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax >>>> or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for >>>> each Person." >>>> >>>> So it appears the Supreme Court was correct in 1875. I stand corrected. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, they do. Especially 3 and 4. The remainder of the clauses deal >>>> with illegal immigration, which is, "invasion". >>>> >>>> As for the rest of your points, I will be back later. >>>> >>>> Keith >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:56 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The US Constitution provides the Executive Branch and the Legislative >>>>> Branch with a number of inherent powers, to include the enforcement of >>>>> immigration laws. For starters, let’s begin with the Preamble: >>>>> >>>>> *“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect >>>>> Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the >>>>> common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of >>>>> Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this >>>>> Constitution for the United States of America”. * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We the People (of State unknown until ratification) in order to >>>>> accomplish these six (6) goals establish THIS Constitution. >>>>> >>>>> There is no assign of Power contained within this 'mission statement' >>>>> -- implied, inferred nor stated. >>>>> >>>>> They will waste but little time on the attempt to cover the act by the >>>>> preamble to the Constitution, it being contrary to every acknowledged >>>>> rule >>>>> of construction to set up this part of an instrument in opposition to the >>>>> plain meaning expressed in the body of the instrument. A preamble usually >>>>> contains the general motives or reason for the particular regulations or >>>>> measures which follow it, and is always understood to be explained and >>>>> limited by them. In the present instance, a contrary interpretation would >>>>> have the inadmissible effect of rendering nugatory or improper every part >>>>> of the Constitution which succeeds the preamble. -- Jonathan Elliot >>>>> _Debates on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution_ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> the Constitution mandates that the Congress (and the President) >>>>> protect American sovereignty and the American People. Let’s begin with >>>>> Article One, Section Eight, which deals with the Powers of the Congress, >>>>> and all of these Sections are applicable : >>>>> >>>>> Clause 1: “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, >>>>> Duties, Imposts <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#IMPOST> >>>>> and Excises <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#EXCISE>, to >>>>> pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare >>>>> <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#WELFARE> of the United >>>>> States; but all Duties, Imposts >>>>> <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#IMPOST> and Excises >>>>> <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#EXCISE> shall be uniform >>>>> throughout the United States; >>>>> Clause 3: “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the >>>>> several States, and with the Indian Tribes”; >>>>> Clause 4: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and >>>>> uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States”; >>>>> Clause 11: “To declare War, grant Letters of Marque >>>>> <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#MARQUE> and Reprisal >>>>> <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#REPRISAL>, and make >>>>> Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water”; >>>>> Clause 15: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the >>>>> Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> NONE of these Powers have *anything* to do with immigration. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clause 20; “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the >>>>> Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the >>>>> Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the >>>>> Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia >>>>> according to the discipline prescribed by Congress”; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Which has NOTHING to do with immigration. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Even Article One, Section Ten, Clause Three gives the States the right >>>>> to defend themselves with the invasion by illegal aliens: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of >>>>> Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any >>>>> Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or >>>>> engage >>>>> in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not >>>>> admit of delay. >>>>> >>>>> NOTHING here about "illegal aliens" (whatever that means) OR >>>>> immigration. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am rushed for time right now, but I will pick up on this thread >>>>> later, and we’ll touch upon the other inherent powers by the Congress, >>>>> and >>>>> delve into the Executive Branch’s ability to stop the invasion and >>>>> detriment to our Nation that illegal aliens pose. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In other words LATER you will seek to 'make up' some justification for >>>>> what simply does not exist. >>>>> A cursory amount of research will reveal that "immigration" was a >>>>> USURPATION ... first by the court in the very late 19th Century >>>>> (paralleling the rise of the Nanny State) and then with seemingly >>>>> innocuous >>>>> requirements by the Congress in the 1920s (as the Nanny State begins to >>>>> become firmly entrenched). >>>>> >>>>> The Constitution simply does NOT support this nonsensical Statist >>>>> tyranny. >>>>> Legitimate Government is to SECURE Natural Rights -- such as the right >>>>> to migration -- not to tyrannically quash them. >>>>> >>>>> Regard$, >>>>> --MJ >>>>> >>>>> Modern nationalism and collectivism have, by the restriction of >>>>> migration, perhaps come nearest to the "servile state." …Man can hardly >>>>> be >>>>> reduced more to a mere wheel in the clockwork of the national >>>>> collectivist >>>>> state that being deprived of his freedom to move.... Feeling that he >>>>> belongs now to his nation, body and soul, he will be more easily subdued >>>>> to >>>>> the obedient state serf which nationalist and collectivist governments >>>>> demand. -- Wilhelm Röpke >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. 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