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WH Squirms: Did Bush Interrogation Techniques Produce Useful Information?

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White House spokesman Josh Earnest.  (AP File Photo)

(CNSNews.com) - White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters on Monday
that President Obama "strongly supports" the release of a Senate
intelligence committee report describing the Bush administration's harsh
interrogation of terror suspects, even though the report may put Americans
and U.S. facilities overseas in jeopardy.

But did those interrogation techniques, including water-boarding, "produce
any actual intelligence?" a reporter asked Earnest.

"[E]ven if they did that, it wasn't worth it," Earnest finally said, after
repeated questions.

At first, Earnest ducked the question about whether the Bush-era techniques
produced useful intelligence:

"Well, the -- this is something that -- the President felt it was important
for us -- for the American people, to have a clear, unvarnished look, or at
least as clear a look as possible, into this classified program about what
actually transpired. And that's why the President believes that the release
of this report is so important.

"I haven't read the report. It's unclear whether or not the committee has
actually taken up the question that you are raising. But certainly, they'll
have something important to say about it."

The reporter tried again: "But what does the White House believe on that
question, you know, did they produce actionable intelligence?"

Earnest dodged again: "Well, as you pointed out, there are a variety of
views across the federal government...about the effectiveness...What I will
tell you is that the President believes that the use of those tactics was
unwarranted, that they were inconsistent with our values and did not make
us safer. That, of course, is a different question than the one that you're
asking about...

"Right," the reporter said.

"Well, did they -- let me finish this," Earnest said. "Did they unearth
useful national intelligence information?"

"Right," the reporter repeated.

"And I think the President would say, and this is clear from the
President's decision to outlaw these techniques, that even if they did,
that it wasn't worth it. And it did not enhance the national security of
the United States of America."

The reporter mentioned Osama bin Laden: "Were these techniques crucial to
getting the intelligence that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden?" he
asked.

"Well, I -- these are, of course, complicated issues and they're worthy of
discussion," Earnest said. "And you know, this is something that was talked
about quite a bit in the days immediately following the successful raid
against Osama bin Laden. These were issues that were raised and discussed
extensively in conjunction with the release of "Zero Dark Thirty," I
believe, a little over a year ago now. And there were a variety of views
about whether or not information that was gleaned from enhanced
interrogation techniques led to the eventual capture of Osama bin Laden."

Earnest continued: "And what we have been clear about, and what the
president has been clear about, is that he does not believe that the use of
these enhanced interrogation techniques is justified. He does not believe
that makes us safer. He does not believe that's in the core national
security interest.

"And so, the point is, you're asking a very difficult question. There are a
variety of views on it. But wherever -- it's the president's view that
wherever you come down on this equation of, yes, it yielded information
that was helpful, yes, it yielded information that was crucial, or no, it
didn't yield -- yield any helpful information, the president believes that,
regardless of what the answer to that question is, that the use of these
techniques was not worth it because of the harm that was done to our
national values and the sense of what it is that we believe in as
Americans."

Earnest conceded that the CIA may have a different opinion on the
usefulness of the information gleaned by the CIA interrogations, but -- "I
think that the views of the commander in chief are the ones that are most
important."

Speaking on Tuesday, Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), a member of the Senate
intelligence committee, said "there's no question" that "the overall
program" of detaining and interrogating terror suspects did produce
actionable intelligence.

But King said
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the Democrats' report, which he voted to release, makes it clear in
"excruciating detail" that the "torture" itself did not produce actionable
intelligence.

Ernest said security preparations "have been underway for months now" to
prepare for the day when Senate Democrats released the report.




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