What is torture? --- illegal ... says 3 jews and 6 catholics on the USSC. On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:36:24 AM UTC-6, Travis wrote: > > > > > > > > Have you ever read the international conventions that ban torture? > Does it make a difference how they define torture? > > I don't have the document in this computer, but I recall that it > includes things as trivial as "insulting the captive or his race, > nationality, or his relatives". Or any treatment that causes "fear or > anxiety or embarrassment". In other words, almost anything can be > defined as torture, depending upon how the captive "feels about > his/her treatment". Is that what most people visualize when someone > says "torture"? Probably not, but that is what happens when anti-West > activists are allowed to use corrupt language and imagery to conflate > all forms of interviews and interrogation with real torture. > > Why is there no rational or objective definition of torture? And why > are the good guys held to impossible standards while nobody does > anything about truly evil people who engage in the most extreme forms > of torture including publicly distributed beheadings? > > U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson wrote that "The Constitution > is not a suicide pact", but apparently the UN and Western Civilization > have decided that they will invent and enforce a Western suicide pact > in the name of cultural diversity, even if it destroys us > > Let me propose a more rational and objective definition of torture > during the conduct of an interview or interrogation: > 1. Torture is generally that which inflicts permanent, severe, or > long-term physical damage or death; > 2. Torture can also be a process that inflicts excruciating pain for > an instant, or moderate pain for a long period (minor pain does not > count); > 3. Torture can also be a process that is known from past experience > is LIKELY or guaranteed to create severe long-term psychological > damage (i.e. craziness); > 4. Torture is not something that is transitory or automatically > resolved in a short time, whether mental or physical; > 5. Torture is not anything that is routinely used in the training of > our soldiers without lasting injury (which includes waterboarding, > sleep deprivation, reduced food and water for a few days, exposure to > cold, exposure to tear gas, etc); > 6. Torture is not anything that experimenters would be willing do > more than once (Peter Hitchens, a non-military civilian, voluntarily > asked to be waterboarded and when he was not suffering enough after it > was over, asked to be waterboarded again; whereas many military > personnel have undergone many forms of low-level "torture" over and > over.) > > How does this apply to the U.S.? We should, as many other countries > have signed various international agreements, sign a treaty only if we > can include a codicil or reservation that states we will only agree to > the treaty jurisdiction if our reasonable definition is used to > control our actions. We will also comply with all the reasonable > terms of the treaties even if we don't sign the treaty. Naturally, > the other side will simply ignore even the most important principles > of all treaties whenever it suits them. > > It is long past time for us to stop rubber-stamping any ludicrous > treaty or conditions just so we can "look good". We should negotiate > the treaties or agreements so that they "do good". This is best > achieved by educating the entire world during the treaty-writing > process, rather than waiting until we are being prosecuted or > handicapped by absurd provisions that should have been removed from > the original drafts by opposition and negotiations. > > --- > Randy > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: "beowulf" <[email protected] <javascript:>> > ------------------------------ > > > Visit Your Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbm42ZWRtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0MTgyMjQxNTg-> > > > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlM2ZsOW9sBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQxODIyNDE1OA--> > > • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • > Unsubscribe <javascript:> • Terms of Use > <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> > > __,_._,___ > > >
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