How is Seigal "Sacrificing American Interests" by going to Israel and fighting within the IDL?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:00 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > > Max Steinberg poses on a trip to Israel. Stuart Steinberg confirmed the > death of his son Max Steinberg to The Associated Press. Steinberg, whose > family lives in Southern California's San Fernando Valley, was a > sharpshooter for the Golani Brigade in the Israel Defense Forces. (AP > Photo/Courtesy of Stuart Steinberg) > > Traci Siegel grew up strongly identifying with her Jewish roots. The > former Susquehanna Township resident attended Jewish schools, Jewish summer > camps and took several family trips to Israel. > > "I loved it there," said Siegel, who was 14 the first time she traveled to > Israel. > > Two years ago, after completing her undergraduate degree at the University > of Maryland, Siegel moved to Israel, and before long, volunteered to serve > in the Israel Defense Forces. > > "I saw my future here," she said during a phone interview this week from > Jerusalem. "I identified with the culture and with the people, especially > with my interest in politics." > > For Siegel, as with many of the young Americans who put their lives at > risk to defend Israel, her commitment to serve was a natural extension of > her affinity to the Jewish homeland. > > "Most people here serve in the military," said Siegel, 25. "It's so much a > part of the culture and identity. I thought it was a good idea to serve to > integrate myself better." > [image: Traci Siegel, IDF]Harrisburg native Traci Siegel moved to Israel > and joined the Israel Defense Forces. She said a desire to integrate into > the country's culture and identity compelled her to join. She completed her > service in April. Her parents live in Susquehanna Township.Courtesy of > Traci Siegel > > The bloody conflict escalation between Israel and Hamas has shed light on > the number of Americans serving in the IDF, and the weight of their > sacrifice. Since the start of the fighting three weeks ago, at least two > Americans have been killed: Max Steinberg, 24, of California, and Nissim > Sean Carmeli, 22, of Texas. > > "They are defending their homeland on a national level and their own > families and friends on a personal level," said Aviva Miskin, of > Harrisburg, whose two sons live in Israel, and as citizens must meet the > country's compulsory army and reserve obligations. "It is their duty and > responsibility to serve and defend their country against terrorist attacks." > > In the 23 days of fighting, approximately 1,300 Palestinians and 56 > Israeli soldiers have been killed. International efforts to end the > fighting have failed. Palestinian leaders - including Hamas and Islamic > Jihad leaders - were expected in Cairo in the coming days to discuss a new > truce proposal. > > In interviews with other media, IDF spokeswoman Lt. Libby Weiss reports > that close to 1,000 Americans serve in the IDF. In total, the force has > about 4,000 non-Israeli-born troops, or lone soldiers, foreign nationals > who volunteer to serve in the IDF. Lone soldiers are different than the > American citizens who have become Israeli citizens and serve in the IDF. > > "These are kids who have a strong sense of who they are and they > understand history and feel that by doing this they are protecting > democracy and Jews worldwide," said Philip Berry, Mid-Atlantic region > executive director of Friends of the Israel Defense Forces > <http://www.fidf.org/page.aspx?pid=194>, an organization that works to > support lone soldiers and their families. "They have a strong sense of > community and love for the U.S. and Israel." > "They are defending their homeland on a national level and their own > families and friends on a personal level." - Aviva Miskin > > Israel grants citizenship to all Jews. Foreign nationals, as with > Israeli-born citizens, who meet the requirements for admission into the > military > <http://www.nbn.org.il/aliyahpedia/army/serving-in-the-israeli-army.html>, > must serve out their compulsory service. The mandatory service applies to > men age 18-25 and women age 17-20. > > His family tree bearing the names of relatives who perished in the > Holocaust, Williamsport attorney Clifford Rieders said the decision by his > daughter Kaila to move to Israel and join the army did not surprise him. > > "We are very proud of her," Rieders said. Kaila, who is 23, reports for > basic training on Aug. 24. > > The weight of the sacrifice - particularly in the wake of the deaths of > the two American soldiers - weigh on young Americans in Israel. > > "I think all deaths are sad but there is something really special about > someone who came here and left their home to do something they really > wanted to do and give his life for it," Siegel said. "It's just sad. These > people a made choice and knew what they were doing. We are just very > grateful for them." > > To be sure, such commitment also weighs heavily on the families in the > U.S. watching the events in Israel and Gaza unfold. > > "It's very a frightening situation," said Rabbi Eric Cytryn of Beth El > Temple in Harrisburg, whose daughter, Sarah, her husband and nine-month son > live in Israel. Gabi Mitchell, Cytryn's son-in-law, serves in the IDF. > > "No one should have to live under the threat of having missiles shot at > you by your neighbors. We are scared for our children on that level but we > are hopeful that this will all stop as soon as possible." > > Cytryn was in Jerusalem a few weeks ago when the first wave of rockets > aimed at Israel were destroyed by the country's Iron Dome defense system. > > For now, he takes comfort in the fact that they will return to the states > in a few weeks, as his son-in-law prepares to enter into a doctorate > program at Virginia Tech. > > "It makes us feel happy," Cytryn said. "They will be two-and-a-half hours > away. There's probably little danger that Maryland and North Carolina will > want to shoot missiles at them." > > Eva Siegel, Traci's mother, also finds a measure of comfort knowing her > daughter lives in Jerusalem, and not closer to Gaza. But in a country the > size of New Jersey, distances are relative. A few weeks ago, she was on the > phone with her daughter when the sirens went off, warning Israeli citizens > of incoming rockets. > > "Most of the time I know she's safe," Eva Siegel said. "I know Israel is > doing whatever it can to protect its citizens. It's a tough situation, > though, knowing you child is in country at war." > > Siegel said that while it's a heroic sacrifice for Americans to live a > safe country and volunteer to serve in the IDF, she mourns the lives of all > who have been killed in the fighting. > > Although she had reservations when Traci first told her of her decision to > move to Israel, Eva Siegel says she is nothing but proud of her daughter's > decision. > > "The path she chose, to move to Israel all alone, is very challenging > under the best of circumstances," she said. "It is hard enough for young > college graduates to become independent here. She is navigating life in a > foreign country....While we miss her, we are proud and supportive of the > choices she has made." > > Siegel, who completed her service with the Israeli Air Force in April, > will attend Tel Aviv University in the fall where she will start a Masters > program in public policy. > > Although she is fiercely loyal and supportive of Israel, Traci Siegel > would prefer to see Israel resolve the conflict in a diplomatic way, rather > than wage a war. > > "I moved here and served in the army," she said. "All I want to do is > serve this country." > > --- > > yep ... she's just another zionist who will sacrifice American interests > for israel. > On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:48:37 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:00 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> speculation noted. >>> in the meantime, zionist loving US warmongers will continue to live in >>> fear of islam and sacrifice their children to a silly religious war. >>> >>> On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 6:27:20 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> Those hate filled Jew hating Anti-American far left extremists will be >>>> the first ones clamoring for the government to do something once they are >>>> personally affected by the likes of ISIS. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:59 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> the Middle East has been nothing but barbaric since time began! >>>>> --- >>>>> yet zionists and neocons continue to waste American wealth on those >>>>> animals. >>>>> they must be removed from our government by any means necessary. >>>>> lock & load!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 9:46:08 AM UTC-6, Bruce Majors wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Dorothy Christner <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry Bob! But, as a Mom, I would strap the bomb on and blow myself >>>>>>> up instead of my child! Besides, these monsters are grabbing other >>>>>>> people's children and hoisting the bomb on someone else's child! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stop trying to justify what they are doing! Who fired the first >>>>>>> shot anyway? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I HATE war for the record. But the Middle East has been nothing but >>>>>>> barbaric since time began! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So many here pile on against our own country! Personally, I worry >>>>>>> that many of you would cooperate with the enemy if it would save you and >>>>>>> yours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I love this country! I am proud to be an American. We are allowing >>>>>>> criminals and worse to come into our country! No filters! We are >>>>>>> going to >>>>>>> rue the day we sat back and did nothing while Barack Insane Obama >>>>>>> ignored >>>>>>> our laws and committed treason under our noses! He swore to uphold and >>>>>>> enforce our constitution but he had NO intention of doing same! His >>>>>>> handlers are going to hand us over to our enemies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He is destroying our military! Valarie Jarrett and Obama! Neither >>>>>>> love this country! Giuliani was right! Obama called Bush unpatriotic! >>>>>>> Really???? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Levon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:19 AM, "Bob Wynman" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Levon, if thugs from across the ocean (or DC, for that matter) >>>>>>> bombed our cities, murdered our families, killed & maimed us, left our >>>>>>> land >>>>>>> devoid of food, littered with mine fields. depleted uranium, bombs, >>>>>>> killed >>>>>>> us with drones, chemicals, occupied out towns for years, a few of us, >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> who preferred death to servitude, like Patrick Henry, might very likely >>>>>>> strap bombs to our chests in order to take as many of the thugs with us >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> possible.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *And yes, as a 10-year-old kid, having witnessed the murder of my >>>>>>> father and brothers and the rape/torture death of my sisters and mother, >>>>>>> might well conclude that the best future for me is to don the ol’ >>>>>>> suicide >>>>>>> vest myself & sally forth to a large meeting of the invading thugs.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Yes, Levon, “*Strapping bombs on innocent children is not what we >>>>>>> do!*” … possibly because we’ve not yet been faced with the >>>>>>> situations that cause people to do such horrible things.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *--bob & lou* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Dorothy Christner [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 10:03 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Bob Wynman >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Crusades and Jihad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob! Do you have children and grandchildren? Strapping bombs on >>>>>>> innocent children is not what we do! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is with you people? Trying to justify Islamic terrorists? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Levon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:17 PM, "Bob Wynman" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I sorta suspect that if the Chinese were to have done to our >>>>>>> country and our people what the out-of-control us “Government” HAS DONE >>>>>>> TO >>>>>>> countries and people in the Middle East we’d be strapping suicide bombs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> our kids to blow up the Chinese occupying our communities also.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *--bob* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Dorothy Christner [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 8:34 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Crusades and Jihad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greg, how can anyone defend Muslim's cutting off heads, putting a >>>>>>> suicide bomb on a ten year old who blows herself up in a crowd of >>>>>>> innocent >>>>>>> people! Or burning people alive? Instead of admitting it's horrible, >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> we hear from Dan, Posterboy, etc. is their trying to justify it with >>>>>>> something so called Christians did a thousand years ago!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are not living in the past of a thousand years ago, we are >>>>>>> dealing with the here and now! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Levon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Advanced Studies < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *By the Middle Ages in Europe ... Islam had already established a >>>>>>> brutal, warrior approach to conquering lands and people. The Crusades >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> created by the Pope to protect Christian access to Christian Holy Lands. >>>>>>> Muslims were already establishing a number of different Caliphates to >>>>>>> represent the "true" Islam ... just like they are today. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Conner, if you think that Jihadi John ... who is featured in the >>>>>>> beheadings lately, is not a throw back to the 12th Century tribalism of >>>>>>> Islamic Jihadists ... then, you are sadly mistaken. Muslims have a long >>>>>>> history of barbarism ... from the days of the Prophet Mohammed killing >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> "non-believers" that stood in his way until now.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM, John Machado <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah, the final steps in the bullshit parade: re-write history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Advanced is a student of the masters: Bill O'Reilly, Fox News, Rush >>>>>>> Limbaugh...et al. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a country where most people can think .. those people would be >>>>>>> run out of town... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> then, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in a country where most people can think, most would know, 9-11 was >>>>>>> an inside job.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and, so, the bullshit prevails. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *[Bo7b:] --------------------------* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I often feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side & a dark side, and >>>>>>> it holds the universe together.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *"Never kick a cow chip on a hot day." -- Cowboy Wisdom* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *--bob & lou* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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