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Benjamin Franklin Although Franklin received religious training, his nature forced him to rebel against the irrational tenets of his parents Christianity. His Autobiography revels his skepticism, “My parents had given me betimes religions impressions, and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself. “. . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a through Deist.” In an essay on “Toleration,” Franklin wrote: “If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England.” Dr. Priestley, an intimate friend of Franklin, wrote of him: “It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin’s general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers” (Priestley’s Autobiography) Thomas Paine This freethinker and author of several books, influenced more early Americans than any other writer. Although he held Deist beliefs, he wrote in his famous The Age of Reason: “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. “ “Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifiying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity. “ The U.S. Constitution The most convincing evidence that our government did not ground itself upon Christianity comes from the very document that defines it– the United States Constitution. If indeed our Framers had aimed to found a Christian republic, it would seem highly unlikely that they would have forgotten to leave out their Christian intentions in the Supreme law of the land. In fact, nowhere in the Constitution do we have a single mention of Christianity, God, Jesus, or any Supreme Being. There occurs only two references to religion and they both use exclusionary wording. The 1st Amendment’s says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . .” and in Article VI, Section 3, “. . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” Thomas Jefferson interpreted the 1st Amendment in his famous letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in January 1, 1802: “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.” Some Religious activists try to extricate the concept of separation between church and State by claiming that those words do not occur in the Constitution. Indeed they do not, but neither does it exactly say “freedom of religion,” yet the First Amendment implies both. As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom: “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.” James Madison, perhaps the greatest supporter for separation of church and State, and whom many refer to as the father of the Constitution, also held similar views which he expressed in his letter to Edward Livingston, 10 July 1822: “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.” Today, if ever our government needed proof that the separation of church and State works to ensure the freedom of religion, one only need to look at the plethora of Churches, temples, and shrines that exist in the cities and towns throughout the United States. Only a secular government, divorced from religion could possibly allow such tolerant diversity. The Declaration of Independence Many Christians who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration as “proof.” The reason appears obvious: the document mentions God. However, the God in the Declaration does not describe Christianity’s God. It describes “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.” This nature’s view of God agrees with deist philosophy but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone. [image: Article XI from the Treaty of Tripoli] <http://www.earlyamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/titleXI.jpg> Article XI from the Treaty of Tripoli Article XI from the Treaty of Tripoli More significantly, the Declaration does not represent the law of the land as it came before the Constitution. The Declaration aimed at announcing their separation from Great Britain and listed the various grievances with the “thirteen united States of America.” The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold, and we have more than thirteen states. Today, the Declaration represents an important historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our independent government. Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. Our presidents, judges and policemen must take an oath to uphold the Constitution, but never to the Declaration of Independence. Of course the Declaration depicts a great political document, as it aimed at a future government upheld by citizens instead of a religious monarchy. It observed that all men “are created equal” meaning that we all come inborn with the abilities of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That “to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men.” The Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity, nor does it imply anything about a Christian foundation. Treaty of Tripoli Unlike governments of the past, the American Fathers set up a government divorced from religion. The establishment of a secular government did not require a reflection to themselves about its origin; they knew this as an unspoken given. However, as the U.S. delved into international affairs, few foreign nations knew about the intentions of America. For this reason, an insight from at a little known but legal document written in the late 1700s explicitly reveals the secular nature of the United States to a foreign nation. Officially called the “Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary,” most refer to it as simply the Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states: [image: Joel Barlow, U.S. Consul General of Algiers] <http://www.earlyamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/barlow.jpg> Joel Barlow, U.S. Consul General of Algiers Joel Barlow, U.S. Consul General of Algiers Copyright National Portait Gallery Smithsonian Institution/Art Resource NY “As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.” The preliminary treaty began with a signing on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington’s last term as president). Joel Barlow, the American diplomat served as counsel to Algiers and held responsibility for the treaty negotiations. Barlow had once served under Washington as a chaplain in the revolutionary army. He became good friends with Paine, Jefferson, and read Enlightenment literature. Later he abandoned Christian orthodoxy for rationalism and became an advocate of secular government. Barlow, along with his associate, Captain Richard O’Brien, et al, translated and modified the Arabic version of the treaty into English. From this came the added Amendment 11. Barlow forwarded the treaty to U.S. legislators for approval in 1797. Timothy Pickering, the secretary of state, endorsed it and John Adams concurred (now during his presidency), sending the document on to the Senate. The Senate approved the treaty on June 7, 1797, and officially ratified by the Senate with John Adams signature on 10 June, 1797. All during this multi-review process, the wording of Article 11 never raised the slightest concern. The treaty even became public through its publication in The Philadelphia Gazette on 17 June 1797. So here we have a clear admission by the United States that our government did not found itself upon Christianity. Unlike the Declaration of Independence, this treaty represented U.S. law as all treaties do according to the Constitution (see Article VI, Sect. 2). Although the Christian exclusionary wording in the Treaty of Tripoli only lasted for eight years and no longer has legal status, it clearly represented the feelings of our Founding Fathers at the beginning of the U.S. government. Common Law [image: Signers of the Treaty of Tripoli] <http://www.earlyamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/treatyback.jpg> Signers of the Treaty of Tripoli Signers of the Treaty of Tripoli According to the Constitution’s 7th Amendment: “In suits at common law. . . the right of trial by jury shall be preserved; and no fact, tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States than according to the rules of the common law.” Here, many Christians believe that common law came from Christian foundations and therefore the Constitution derives from it. They use various quotes from Supreme Court Justices proclaiming that Christianity came as part of the laws of England, and therefore from its common law heritage. But one of our principle Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, elaborated about the history of common law in his letter to Thomas Cooper on February 10, 1814: “For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. . . This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it. “. . . if any one chooses to build a doctrine on any law of that period, supposed to have been lost, it is incumbent on him to prove it to have existed, and what were its contents. These were so far alterations of the common law, and became themselves a part of it. But none of these adopt Christianity as a part of the common law. If, therefore, from the settlement of the Saxons to the introduction of Christianity among them, that system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians, and if, having their laws from that period to the close of the common law, we are all able to find among them no such act of adoption, we may safely affirm (though contradicted by all the judges and writers on earth) that Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” In the same letter, Jefferson examined how the error spread about Christianity and common law. Jefferson realized that a misinterpretation had occurred with a Latin term by Prisot, “*ancien scripture*,” in reference to common law history. The term meant “ancient scripture” but people had incorrectly interpreted it to mean “Holy Scripture,” thus spreading the myth that common law came from the Bible. Jefferson writes: “And Blackstone repeats, in the words of Sir Matthew Hale, that ‘Christianity is part of the laws of England,’ citing Ventris and Strange ubi surpa. 4. Blackst. 59. Lord Mansfield qualifies it a little by saying that ‘The essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.” In the case of the Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767. But he cites no authority, and leaves us at our peril to find out what, in the opinion of the judge, and according to the measure of his foot or his faith, are those essential principles of revealed religion obligatory on us as a part of the common law.” Thus we find this string of authorities, when examined to the beginning, all hanging on the same hook, a perverted expression of Priscot’s, or on one another, or nobody.” The Encyclopedia Britannica, also describes the Saxon origin and adds: “The nature of the new common law was at first much influenced by the principles of Roman law, but later it developed more and more along independent lines.” Also prominent among the characteristics that derived out of common law include the institution of the jury, and the right to speedy trial. Christian Sources Virtually all the evidence that attempts to connect a foundation of Christianity upon the government rests mainly on quotes and opinions from a few of the colonial statesmen who had professed a belief in Christianity. Sometimes the quotes come from their youth before their introduction to Enlightenment ideas or simply from personal beliefs. But statements of beliefs, by themselves, say nothing about Christianity as the source of the U.S. government. There did occur, however, some who wished a connection between church and State. Patrick Henry, for example, proposed a tax to help sustain “some form of Christian worship” for the state of Virginia. But Jefferson and other statesmen did not agree. In 1779, Jefferson introduced a bill for the Statute for Religious Freedom which became Virginia law. Jefferson designed this law to completely separate religion from government. None of Henry’s Christian views ever got introduced into Virginia’s or U.S. Government law. Unfortunately, later developments in our government have clouded early history. The original Pledge of Allegiance, authored by Francis Bellamy in 1892 did not contain the words “under God.” Not until June 1954 did those words appear in the Allegiance. The United States currency never had “In God We Trust” printed on money until after the Civil War. Many Christians who visit historical monuments and see the word “God” inscribed in stone, automatically impart their own personal God of Christianity, without understanding the Framers Deist context. In the Supreme Court’s 1892 Holy Trinity Church vs. United States, Justice David Brewer wrote that “this is a Christian nation.” Many Christians use this as evidence. However, Brewer wrote this in dicta, as a personal opinion only and does not serve as a legal pronouncement. Later Brewer felt obliged to explain himself: “But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.’ Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all.” Conclusion The Framers derived an independent government out of Enlightenment thinking against the grievances caused by Great Britain. Our Founders paid little heed to political beliefs about Christianity. The 1st Amendment stands as the bulkhead against an establishment of religion and at the same time insures the free expression of any belief. The Treaty of Tripoli, an instrument of the Constitution, clearly stated our non-Christian foundation. We inherited common law from Great Britain which derived from pre-Christian Saxons rather than from Biblical scripture. Today we have powerful Christian organizations who work to spread historical myths about early America and attempt to bring a Christian theocracy to the government. If this ever happens, then indeed, we will have ignored the lessons from history. Fortunately, most liberal Christians today agree with the principles of separation of church and State, just as they did in early America. “They all attributed the peaceful dominion of religion in their country mainly to the separation of church and state. I do not hesitate to affirm that during my stay in America I did not meet a single individual, of the clergy or the laity, who was not of the same opinion on this point” -Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, 1835 On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 10:43:18 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Sadly, (for you) the facts are; well....The Facts. No amount of > revisionist history is going to change what we are as a Nation, no matter > how hard you try, and until you can find a majority of Moonbats to > subscribe to your Anti-American rhetoric, again, sadly for you, *"It > Is~~The Way That It Is"*..... > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:28 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> And obviously, you don't like it. Learn to love it, because it's here to >> stay..... >> --- >> your insistence on making the USA a xian nation proves you to be >> something other than American. >> the founding fathers made it clear that America is a secular nation. >> they knew how fucking stupid and ignorant that religious myth believers >> can be. >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 10:22:54 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> And obviously, you don't like it. Learn to love it, because it's here >>> to stay..... >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:00 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Christian/Judeo law is the law of the land, whether you like it or >>>> not..... >>>> --- >>>> complete bs. >>>> >>>> Why not let the Constitution speak for itself? If the FF's had wanted a >>>> country specifically based on "Judeo-Christian values"', why wouldn't they >>>> have gone ahead and written the Constitution to reflect that? As it is, >>>> they wrote the foundational document for our nation so that the only >>>> mention of religion was a negative, ie the government may not get into the >>>> religion business. >>>> If they had wanted a Judeo-Christian nation, wouldn't they have >>>> mentioned Jesus or Abraham somewhere in our founding documents? >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 9:22:24 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Christian/Judeo law is the law of the land, whether you like it or >>>>> not..... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 6:41 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> our courts will override sharia law just like it does judaic law. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 3:28:10 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:42 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A top Jewish immigration group -- an organization >>>>>>>> <http://www.hias.org/history> "Founded in 1881 originally to >>>>>>>> assist Jews fleeing pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe" -- is >>>>>>>> fighting to >>>>>>>> bring Syrian refugees to America. The group is called HIAS, which once >>>>>>>> meant Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. >>>>>>>> [image: syria] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark Hetfield, the president and CEO of HIAS, emailed supporters >>>>>>>> last week to thank them for their generosity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We are leading the American Jewish response to the Syrian refugee >>>>>>>> crisis. We are on the ground in Europe and, more importantly, >>>>>>>> demanding >>>>>>>> that our own government and others around the world take bold action >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> ensure that Syrian refugees can rebuild their lives in safety and >>>>>>>> freedom," >>>>>>>> Hetfield boasted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On its website, the Jewish group is calling for the United States >>>>>>>> to bring in 100,000 Syrian refugees. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Stories and photos documenting the unspeakably tragic plight of >>>>>>>> Syrian refugees have shocked the world. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We cannot stand by idly and watch the largest humanitarian crisis >>>>>>>> of our generation unfold. Our country and the American Jewish >>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>> must step in now to provide protection and aid for Syrian refugees," >>>>>>>> Hias >>>>>>>> writes on its website. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Secretary of State Kerry recently announced that the United States >>>>>>>> will take in 15,000 refugees above our normal refugee resettlement >>>>>>>> operations (85,000 in total in Fiscal Year 2016, 100,000 in 2017). >>>>>>>> This is >>>>>>>> a symbolic gesture—not a response to a crisis. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> creeping posted: "This is an obvious move, but we predict it is >>>>>>>>> temporary at best. Governor Snyder, a Republican, is the >>>>>>>>> self-proclaimed >>>>>>>>> "most pro-immigration governor in the country." 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