What is their choices? --- a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to five years, or a combination of both.
WASHINGTON — The White House announced Friday that it will consider making women eligible for the draft, one day after the Pentagon’s historic decision to allow women in all combat roles. White House spokesman Josh Earnest said officials at the Pentagon are deliberating on the change and will work with Congress on the review of the Military Selective Service Act. On Thursday, Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced all military jobs will be opened to women, including the most dangerous combat posts. Earnest said Pentagon officials notified Congress about Carter’s decision and provided an analysis on the impact that it could have on the law. "We're going to work with Congress to look at that analysis, to review it, and sort of get others' opinions to determine if additional reforms or changes to the act are necessary in light of this specific decision," he said. The outcome of a federal lawsuit challenging male-only registration also could play a role in determining whether women will be required to register for the draft. The case, National Coalition for Men vs. the Selective Service System, will be considered Tuesday by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in Pasadena, Calif. But Carter said the lawsuit won’t stop the Pentagon from moving forward. “That legal determination won’t affect ... our timetable for the implementation,” he said Thursday. “But it is an issue that’s out there.” Under the Military Selective Service Act, men must register 30 days after their 18th birthday with the Selective Service System, which could call upon them for compulsory military service in a time of war. They must stay registered until their 26th birthday. Failure to register has consequences, including prison, a $250,000 fine and denial of federal jobs or government benefits. “If women are not being penalized for failing to register for the draft, then men shouldn’t be penalized either,” coalition president Harry Crouch said in a statement issued Friday. Judy Patterson, chief executive officer of the Service Women’s Action Network, a nonprofit focused on advancing equal opportunity for military women, said the group welcomes adding them to the draft. “The draft is another gender-biased policy rooted in another era. We welcome an open debate around the inclusion of women and even whether the law itself is an anachronism whose time has come,” she said Friday. “I have yet to speak with any woman who is personally opposed to registering.” Coalition attorney Marc Angelucci said Thursday’s decision could have a big impact on his case. “The fact that the military has now opened all combat roles for women can certainly affect this lawsuit,” he said. “As long as there are any women in combat, there’s no excuse for forcing only males to register for the draft.” On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 7:56:58 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > What is their choices? Is it true that women have to register now, or is > it voluntary for them? > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:44 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> opening combat to women means they will need to register for Selective >> Service >> --- >> they have a choice. >> >> Failing to register or comply with the Military Selective Service Act is >> a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to >> five years, or a combination of both. Also, a person who knowingly >> counsels, aids, or abets another to fail to comply with the Act is subject >> to the same penalties. >> >> If a man fails to register, or provides Selective Service with evidence >> that he is exempt from the registration requirement, after receiving >> Selective Service reminder and/or compliance mailings, his name is referred >> to the Department of Justice for possible investigation and prosecution for >> his failure to register as required by the Act. For clarification, if a man >> is exempt from registering with the Selective Service System, his name is >> not forwarded to the Department of Justice. The federal law stipulates that >> names are to be submitted to the Department of Justice annually. >> >> The more immediate penalty is if a man fails to register before turning >> 26 years old, even if he is not tried or prosecuted, he may find that some >> doors are permanently closed. >> >> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 7:15:31 AM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Eowyn posted: "He promised the "fundamental transformation" of >>> America -- and that includes the former greatest military in the world. >>> Obama assiduously is social re-engineering the military. See: Obama admin >>> to end ban on transgenders in military Obama names" Respond to this >>> post by replying above this line >>> New post on *Fellowship of the Minds* >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/> Obama opening combat >>> to women means they will need to register for Selective Service >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/12/05/obama-opening-combat-to-women-means-they-will-need-to-register-for-selective-service/> >>> by >>> Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/> >>> >>> He promised the "fundamental transformation" of America -- and that >>> includes the former greatest military in the world. >>> >>> Obama assiduously is social re-engineering the military. See: >>> >>> - Obama admin to end ban on transgenders in military >>> >>> <https://cofda.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/obama-admin-to-end-ban-on-transgenders-in-military/> >>> >>> - Obama names open homosexual to be Secretary of Army >>> >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/09/18/obama-names-open-homosexual-to-be-secretary-of-u-s-army/> >>> >>> - US Air Force base in Arizona flies American flag with LGBT rainbow >>> stripes >>> >>> <https://cofda.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/us-air-force-base-in-arizona-flies-american-flag-with-lgbt-rainbow-stripes/> >>> >>> - University Army ROTC made to wear red high heels to “raise >>> awareness” about rape >>> >>> <https://cofda.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/university-army-rotc-made-to-wear-red-high-heels-to-raise-awareness-about-rape/> >>> >>> - Christians are leaving the U.S. military >>> >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/09/20/christians-are-leaving-the-u-s-military/> >>> >>> >>> The latest: *Beginning next year*, 2016, *all U.S. military combat >>> roles will be open to women*, including Navy SEALs and Army Rangers, >>> should they meet the test, *Defense Secretary Ash Carter* announced >>> <http://www.defenseone.com/management/2015/12/carter-open-all-women/124172> >>> on Dec. 3. >>> >>> In so doing, *Carter rejected a request from the Marine Corps for a >>> partial exception*, in order to keep the infantry, machine gunner, and >>> fire support reconnaissance men-only. Carter said no: "We are a joint >>> force, and I have decided to make a decision which applies to the entire >>> force." >>> >>> [image: Obama at LGBT fundraiser in NY, Sept. 27, 2015.] >>> <https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/obama-at-lgbt-fundraiser-in-ny-sept-27-2015.jpg> >>> >>> In a statement released by the White House Thursday, *Obama said that >>> opening up the remaining 10 percent of military positions, including combat >>> roles, to women* "is another historic step forward." He said, "As >>> Commander in Chief, I know that this change, like others before it, *will >>> again make our military even stronger."* Obama had said the same thing >>> when he earlier opened the ranks to homosexuals. >>> >>> *But a RAND Corporation study found strong opposition from special ops >>> and non-commissioned officers*, at a time when Obama is sending 100-200 >>> special ops troops to Iraq >>> <http://patriotnewsdaily.com/special-forces-headed-back-to-iraq/> in >>> the next few weeks as part of a military strategy "to defeat the Islamic >>> State." The special ops will undertake intelligence-gathering, raids, and >>> assassinations of top ISIS leaders. Carter said it would also give the U.S. >>> a better vantage point, *allowing troops to move into Syria with ease.* >>> >>> In a nearly 300-page report obtained exclusively by *Defense One* with >>> more than 150 additional pages of technical notes based on focus groups and >>> a survey of those inside the special operations community, RAND >>> Corporation <http://www.rand.org/> researchers found "strong, deep >>> seated and intensely felt opposition to opening SOF (special operations >>> forces) . . . to women," especially among SEALs, Air Force special ops >>> and non-commissioned officers: >>> >>> - As many as *85%* of survey participants *oppose letting women into >>> special operations forces (SOF).* >>> - 71% oppose women in their unit. >>> - The main concern of those who oppose women in special ops has to >>> do with "mission effectiveness" and the unit's "continued ability to >>> function as a highly performing team". >>> >>> >>> >>> The study found *three biggest areas of worry among special ops >>> concerning women in combat*: >>> >>> 1. Eroding standards. >>> 2. A decline in unit cohesion, mission effectiveness, and the >>> ability to function as a highly performing team. >>> 3. A question about how leadership would resolve conflicts between >>> men and women. >>> >>> On the matter of women's physical readiness for special op standards, *the >>> RAND study* not surprisingly *found that "On average, males generally >>> outperform females."* The RAND study nevertheless proclaims that >>> "although *there are often large differences between men and women*, >>> primary emphasis must be placed on an individual’s capabilities to perform >>> critical tasks…. Just as very few men succeed in qualifying for SOF and >>> the ones that do are in the tail of the distribution, the same is likely to >>> apply to women.” >>> >>> The study optimistically concludes that despite "the challenges facing >>> SOCOM >>> [U.S. Special Operations Command] should it decide to integrate women >>> into SOF units, are real and multifaceted, but none of them is >>> insurmountable. The key to successful integration of out-groups is the >>> implementation process. A successful integration of women into SOF…will >>> require transparency, effective leadership and communication, monitoring of >>> progress, and openness to innovation, flexibility and adaptability. Even >>> with all of the above, the process is still likely to face major challenges >>> because of the depth and scope of opposition and concern among the force.” >>> >>> [image: Joseph Votel, Obama, Lloyd Austin III] >>> <https://cofda.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/joseph-votel-obama-lloyd-austin-iii.jpg>Notwithstanding >>> >>> the RAND study's findings of strong opposition to women in special ops and >>> female lack-of-physical-fitness,* SOCOM commander Gen. Joseph Votel has >>> already endorsed the opening of all combat roles to women.* In an >>> 8-minute video released to his troops, Votel said: >>> >>> “We need a wide range of exceptional people to be combat effective and >>> to help us address the complex security problems of today’s environment. >>> *After >>> weighing and considering the rigorous analysis . . . I have determined that >>> there is no compelling analytical data that would support an exception of >>> policy for special operations.*” >>> >>> *The opening of combat roles to women means that women will be fully >>> integrated into the U.S. military. That, in turn, means that just as men of >>> military age are required to register for Selective Service, women will >>> have to as well.* >>> >>> In fact, a reporter asked Defense Secretary Carter exactly that question >>> on Dec. 3: "Mr. Secretary, does this decision [to open all combat roles to >>> women] now lead to a -- a greater debate about whether women need to >>> register for Selective Service?" >>> >>> Carter replied, "It may do that, Phil. That is a matter of legal dispute >>> right now, and in fact, litigation. So...I don't know how that will turn >>> out." >>> >>> [image: Obama's defense secretary Ash Carter] >>> <https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/ash-carter.jpg> >>> >>> Obama's defense secretary Ash Carter >>> >>> A year ago, *Obama appointed Ash Carter as Defense Secretary although >>> Carter has no military experience. *As the *New York Times* then >>> reported >>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/03/us/politics/ashton-carter-may-replace-chuck-hagel-at-defense-department-official-says.html?_r=0>: >>> >>> "Mr. Carter has degrees in physics and medieval history from Yale and a >>> doctorate in theoretical physics from Oxford; he was a Rhodes Scholar, was >>> a longtime member of the Harvard faculty and now lectures at Stanford. His >>> senior thesis at Yale was on the use of Latin by monastic writers to >>> describe the world of 12th-century Flanders." >>> >>> Sources: *Defense One* >>> <http://www.defenseone.com/management/2015/12/special-ops-survey-showed-85-opposed-serving-women/124194/?oref=defense_one_breaking_nl> >>> ; *CNS News >>> <http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/ash-carter-says-women-may-need-register-selected-service>* >>> >>> See also: >>> >>> - Most U.S. troops, vets would steer kids away from service >>> >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/11/01/most-u-s-troops-vets-would-steer-kids-away-from-service/> >>> >>> - 70% of active military oppose ground troops in Iraq because they >>> distrust their commander-in-chief >>> >>> <https://cofda.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/70-of-active-military-oppose-ground-troops-in-iraq-because-they-distrust-their-commander-in-chief/> >>> >>> - U.S. Army plagued with low morale: pessimistic, unhappy, >>> distrustful and unfit >>> >>> <https://cofda.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/u-s-army-plagued-with-low-morale-pessimistic-unhappy-distrustful-and-unfit/> >>> >>> - Survey finds U.S. military plagued with low morale >>> >>> <https://cofda.wordpress.com/2014/12/16/survey-finds-u-s-military-plagued-with-low-morale/> >>> >>> - U.S. military does not support Commander-In-Chief Barack Obama >>> >>> <https://cofda.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/u-s-military-does-not-support-commander-in-chief-barack-obama/> >>> >>> - US Marine Corps commandant openly blasts CIC Obama >>> >>> <https://cofda.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/us-marine-corps-commandant-openly-blasts-cic-obama/> >>> >>> - Anti-Obama sentiments are increasing in U.S. Marine Corps >>> >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/03/24/anti-obama-sentiments-are-increasing-in-u-s-marine-corps/> >>> >>> - This is how CIC Obama salutes our Marines >>> >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/09/24/this-is-how-cic-obama-returns-marines-salute/> >>> >>> >>> H/t *FOTM*'s MomOfIV >>> >>> *~Eowyn* >>> >>> *Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/author/eowyn2/>* | December >>> 5, 2015 at 4:19 am | Tags: 85% of special ops oppose women in combat >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=85-of-special-ops-oppose-women-in-combat>, >>> >>> Ash Carter <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=ash-carter>, Joseph >>> Votel <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=joseph-votel>, Obama's >>> social engineering of military >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=obamas-social-engineering-of-military>, >>> >>> RAND study on women in combat >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=rand-study-on-women-in-combat>, >>> SOCOM <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?tag=socom> | Categories: Culture >>> War <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=20812>, Gays >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=212736045>, >>> Liberals/Democrats/Left <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=115894710>, >>> Military <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=33806753>, Navy SEALs >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=33566>, Obama >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=376320>, Obama's America >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=12285619>, transgender >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=317684133>, United States >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=5850>, war on Christianity >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/?cat=209856> | URL: >>> http://wp.me/pKuKY-wLL >>> >>> Comment >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/12/05/obama-opening-combat-to-women-means-they-will-need-to-register-for-selective-service/#respond> >>> >>> See all comments >>> <http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/12/05/obama-opening-combat-to-women-means-they-will-need-to-register-for-selective-service/#comments> >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe >>> <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=9a7ed2eca0a37fc8484230edc68d3f28&email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com&b=LdVGC1q_EP%3Fdh4l%7Ch%5BlY%5DcDcep%2C%3F%3DI%2BsSFORmzT%3DIVTa8V%25nK%5Da> >>> >>> to no longer receive posts from Fellowship of the Minds. >>> Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions >>> <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=9a7ed2eca0a37fc8484230edc68d3f28&email=bovinescatologists%40gmail.com>. >>> >>> >>> >>> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: >>> >>> http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/12/05/obama-opening-combat-to-women-means-they-will-need-to-register-for-selective-service/ >>> >>> Thanks for flying with WordPress.com <http://wordpress.com> >>> >>> >>> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. 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