Pluto Isreal grew by not returning areas that was taken after they were attacked. Regardless of your opinion of the Jewish state. Stategically it makes sense On Jun 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "pluto of brougham" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Again, as I said earlier, it's speculation, but it's hard for me to believe > that Jerusalem in particular would be an "Open City" as it is today, were > it not for the Nation of Israel. > > Strange isn't it, that Christian churches have been there for millennia > and pilgrims were allowed to visit the Holy City since the 3/4th centuries, > until the Crusades and after, no doubt Keith you totally agree that the > original state that was Israel in 1948 has expanded by at least 85% by them > invading and occupying Palestinian land and in effect "ethnic cleansing" in > the most horrific murderous ways, but then again, no doubt jews make up a > large number of your clientele. > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:06 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> [email protected] >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/politicalforum/topics> >> Google >> Groups >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> >> Topic digest >> View all topics >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/politicalforum/topics> >> >> - Disarming America >> <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_group_thread_0> - 1 >> Update >> - Gay Porn Kingpin: 'Islam Vomits ... >> <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_group_thread_1> - 2 >> Updates >> - [grendelreport] Trump's Unanswerable Questions About Immigration >> <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_group_thread_2> - 14 >> Updates >> - The First One >> <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_group_thread_3> - 1 >> Update >> - the Humorous Hypocrisy of Conservatives >> <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_group_thread_4> - 1 >> Update >> - Democrats’ War on Due Process and Terrorist Fearmongering Long >> Predate Orlando >> <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_group_thread_5> - 1 >> Update >> - [No Subject] >> <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_group_thread_6> - 3 >> Updates >> - Clinton Gets Trump To Finally Snap: In A Fit Of Rage, He Admits >> He’s Little More Than A Con Artist >> <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_group_thread_7> - 2 >> Updates >> >> Disarming America >> <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/e8efc08658019a8b?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> >> Travis <[email protected]>: Jun 22 07:59AM -0500 >> >> >> http://netrightdaily.com/2016/06/cartoon-disarming-america/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NetrightDaily+%28NetRight+Daily%29 >> Back to top <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_digest_top> >> Gay Porn Kingpin: 'Islam Vomits ... >> <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/303f8e51c6711b39?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> >> [email protected]: Jun 22 04:47AM -0400 >> >> Personally I find his movies boring. But he is a name in the gay rights >> movement. >> >> >> It's nice to hear people waking up and speaking out. >> >> >> >> >> >> EXCLUSIVE – Gay Porn Kingpin: ‘Islam Vomits on Gays, Women’ >> >> >> >> ( >> http://api.addthis.com/oexchange/0.8/forward/facebook/offer?url=http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/06/19/gay-porn-kingpin-islam-vomits-gays >> -women/&pubid=ra-536db77a775cf072&text=EXCLUSIVE+–+Gay+Porn+Kingpin:+‘ >> Islam+Vomits+on+Gays,+Women’) >> >> _4_ >> ( >> http://api.addthis.com/oexchange/0.8/forward/google_plusone_share/offer?url=http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/06/19/gay-porn-kingpin-islam-vo >> mits-gays-women/&pubid=ra-536db77a775cf072&text=EXCLUSIVE+– >> +Gay+Porn+Kingpin:+‘Islam+Vomits+on+Gays,+Women’) >> >> ( >> http://api.addthis.com/oexchange/0.8/forward/twitter/offer?url=http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/06/19/gay-porn-kingpin-islam-vomits-gays-women/ >> &pubid=ra-536db77a775cf072&text=EXCLUSIVE+–+Gay+Porn+Kingpin:+‘ >> Islam+Vomits+on+Gays,+Women’&shortener=bitly) >> >> >> >> MichaelLucas.com >> >> by _AARON KLEIN_ (http://www.breitbart.com/author/aaron-klein/) 19 Jun >> 2016_487_ >> ( >> http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/06/19/gay-porn-kingpin-islam-vomits-gays-women/#disqus_thread) >> >> >> >> >> SIGN UP FOR OUR NEWSLETTER >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Democratic Party and liberal media are targeting U.S. gays with a “ >> brainwashing campaign,” deliberately removing the issue of radical Islam >> from >> the conversation, Michael Lucas, a gay pornographic film actor and >> director, charged in a radio interview. >> Lucas is founder and CEO of Lucas Entertainment, New York’s largest gay >> adult film company and one of the biggest gay porn production companies >> in >> the world. >> Lucas said, “Islam hates women, it vomits on women, it vomits on gays, on >> anything that is different.” Asked to clarify his remarks, Lucas said >> that >> “radical Islam kills gays. Islam vomits on them.” >> The porn star stated that liberal opinion makers from President Obama on >> down are skewing the national conversation following the Orlando >> terrorist >> massacre to focus on gun control and the shooter’s own _reported_ >> ( >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3642784/If-gay-definitely-type-Former-classmat >> >> e-reveals-Orlando-shooter-came-drag-queen-says-club-regular-shooter-s-father >> -insists-isn-t-homosexual.html) gay background “and completely take the >> conversation about radical Islam off the table.” >> This campaign, Lucas stated, is “feeding them (gays) this liberal >> propaganda so that God forbid they will not change their political >> affiliation. So >> that historically they will remain voting for (the) Democratic Party.” >> Lucas made the comments in an interview set to run in full on this >> reporter >> ’s Sunday night talk radio program, “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio,” >> broadcast on New York’s AM 970 The Answer and Philadelphia’s NewsTalk 990 >> AM. >> Listen to the audio of the interview below: >> Lucas told me he found it “interesting and frustrating to see how the >> liberal media is rallying gays to keep them at the liberal base and God >> forbid >> to change their thinking to move it away from the party line, which is >> that >> all the religions are bad and Islam has its homophobes just like >> Christianity … and Judaism.” >> Continued Lucas: >> >> You know, it is all so very, very frustrating to me the double standard. >> If this would be done by a Christian or by a Jew it would immediately be >> called (a) Christian extremist attack by a Christian extremist or by a >> Jewish >> extremist. >> Yet when it comes to Islam, it cannot be called this way. Because it was >> done by a Muslim in the name of Islam. It is right away the conversation >> is >> about the internal struggle of this man who is gay and who had this >> internal struggle and that is why and that is the reason. >> Or just because he was a loner and had mental issues and that’s why he >> was >> beating up his wife and because it had to do with gun control because he >> could go and buy guns. And that all might be true. But Muslim extremism >> is >> at the root of all of that. >> Lucas further charged that Obama has failed to spotlight mainstream Islam’ >> s treatment of gays. He said he believes homophobia is part of Islam and >> that the religion “vomits on women, it vomits on gays, on anything that >> is >> different.” >> It’s not that Obama does not care about murderers of gay people. It is >> that Obama himself, as the liberal that he is, he doesn’t understand that >> homophobia is a part of Islam. Just like Islam hates women, it vomits on >> women, it vomits on gays, on anything that is different. And this is >> something >> that Obama either does not understand or does not want to understand. >> Liberals are always looking at Muslims as underdogs. Even now that we see… >> in this particular incident, we see that Muslims are aggressors and >> murderers. Radical Islam is a murderer of gay men and women. Yet again, >> the >> president doesn’t want to see it. Not only he doesn’t want to see it this >> way. >> He doesn’t want anyone to see it this way. That is the problem. >> Aaron Klein is Breitbart’s Jerusalem bureau chief and senior >> investigative >> reporter. He is a New York Times bestselling author and hosts the popular >> weekend talk radio program, “_Aaron Klein Investigative Radio_ >> (https://www.connectpal.com/aaronklein) .” Follow him on _Twitter >> @AaronKleinShow._ >> (https://twitter.com/AaronKleinShow) Follow him on _Facebook._ >> (https://www.facebook.com/aaronkleinshow) >> >> http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/06/19/gay-porn-kingpin-islam-vomits >> - >> gays-women/ >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, which >> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, and >> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! >> >> For options and help, please visit the group at: >> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Historical Pictorial" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]_ >> (mailto:[email protected]) . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical Pictorial, which >> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical media, and >> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled past! >> >> For options and help, please visit the group at: >> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Historical Pictorial" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]_ >> (mailto:[email protected]) . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> Bruce Majors <[email protected]>: Jun 22 04:55AM -0400 >> >> So your screen name really is "Hot for Asian Top"? >> >> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016, Hot4azintop via PoliticalForum < >> Back to top <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_digest_top> >> [grendelreport] Trump's Unanswerable Questions About Immigration >> <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/8d4729cd1fe64c9?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> >> plainolamerican <[email protected]>: Jun 21 01:06PM -0700 >> >> That’s how they think. Diversity is our strength! >> < >> https://www.google.com/search?q=Diversity+is+our+strength!+site:www.vdare.com&gws_rd=ssl> >> That’s >> the state ideology; it’s the air we breathe. >> < >> http://www.vdare.com/posts/is-this-the-most-2016ish-thing-of-2016-mateen-didnt-want-to-look-racist >> > >> >> It’s also a big fat lie. >> >> --- >> >> http://educate-yourself.org/cn/israelcastesystem13dec13.shtml >> >> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:01:31 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>: Jun 21 05:52PM -0400 >> >> We all know Israel is an apartheid state that has violated dozens of UN >> resolutions ... I think we ALL agree on that!!! >> >> I personally don't buy the shit that they are our ally, but others do ... >> would they ever go back to '68 borders??? >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:06 PM, plainolamerican < >> [email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> -- >> brine >> http://brineb.blogspot.com/ >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 05:57PM -0400 >> >> Hey Brine! >> >> Can you try to imagine what the region would be like today, in particular >> Jerusalem, "IF" Israel was not in existence? >> >> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>: Jun 21 06:00PM -0400 >> >> Probably similar to the way it was for 700 years ... people just living >> there and not killing each other as they have been since the 1948 land >> grab!!! >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> -- >> brine >> http://brineb.blogspot.com/ >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 06:04PM -0400 >> >> Off course we're both speculating.....I tend to believe that it would be >> much like Syria, and other regions where ISIL/IS/ISIS currently occupies. >> No Jews allowed; No Christians allowed; no historical remnants of Jews >> or Christians allowed..... >> >> Of course, we do all know that each and every Islamic State and theocracy >> is currently just a downright paradise with folks flocking to get in and >> for admittance! Meanwhile, Israel is just a flat out Hell Hole1 >> >> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>: Jun 21 06:33PM -0400 >> >> It was VERY different before 1948 and all the western interference in the >> area!!! >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> -- >> brine >> http://brineb.blogspot.com/ >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 08:03PM -0400 >> >> Hey Brine! >> >> Agreed. >> >> Again, as I said earlier, it's speculation, but it's hard for me to >> believe >> that Jerusalem in particular would be an "Open City" as it is today, were >> it not for the Nation of Israel. >> >> >> >> geoffrey theist <[email protected]>: Jun 21 07:46PM -0500 >> >> The state of Israel regardless of your feelings toward it has been the >> catalyst of this awakening of the jihadist. And their survival hinges on >> the policy of apartheid Brian wrote about. But that's history. It can't be >> changed. But we do have to deal with our Islamic problem. Trump is a >> business man he sees the problem and cuts to the chase and offers >> a workable solution. It comes down to willingness to proceed. Yes these >> questions have answers but not easy ones. >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 09:19PM -0400 >> >> I'm no big fan of Israel, but to suggest that Israel is the cause of >> "Jihadism" is utter bull hockey Geoffrey! >> >> No one need be an expert to know and understand the concept of the Islamic >> Ideology! Islam's roots originated with a supernatural experience in a >> cave that left a young Mohammad with the belief that the archangel Gabriel >> had summoned him to be God's messenger on Earth. Shortly thereafter, >> demonstrating that the whole concept of Islam is in and of itself born in >> violence; Gabriel allegedly try to choke Mohammad to death and later so >> did Mohammad's tribe, the "Quraysh". >> >> According to Aiesha, Mohammad's nine year old bride, Mohammad's whole >> purpose was a fight to survive. Mohammad called this principle "Jihad"; >> the First Jihad, "*Jihad al Akbar*", was the struggle to perfect oneself; >> the struggle to be a better Muslim under Sharia in the eyes of Allah; and >> I opine more importantly according to Mohammad, was the lesser jihad, >> "*Jihad >> al Asghar*"; the struggle to defeat infidels, non-believers and opponents >> who threaten the faith. >> >> There are many within the Islamic "Community" (I surmise the majority of >> Muslims); who wish to see a theocratic governing body presided over by a >> supreme religious authority (*e.g*.; a Sunni Grand Mufti; and/or a Shia >> Ayatollah); and his council of religious leaders. This Grand >> Mufti/Ayatollah will not only set the moral agenda for the >> "Nation/State/Caliphate"; but under Sharia, determine what actions of the >> "State/Caliphate" are/were approved by Mohammad. Today there are those in >> Islam; who want to win back the world they once owned and create a New >> Caliphate; *e.g.*; *Dar-al-Islam*. Absent powerful armies, as in the days >> of yore, they will in fact resort to terror; the warfare of the stateless. >> >> Anything less than this and you're kidding yourself...... >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:46 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 09:36PM -0400 >> >> As a side note, ya'll do know and realize that NO ONE wants the >> Palestinians? The Jordanians have booted them; the Egyptians have tossed >> them out; Lebanon: "NO WAY"! The Royal House of Saud laughs in their >> faces! >> >> It's also bull hockey that there were no Palestinians before 1948; which a >> number of Israelis seem to prevaricately focus upon and float hundreds of >> thousands of Facebook posts, e-mails and Tweets each and every time they >> get ready to reduce the Palestinian region or do a land grab. >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 10:27PM -0400 >> >> (And Geoffrey! I surely hope I didn't offend ya! I like these >> discussions! With most everyone in this group!) >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> geoffrey theist <[email protected]>: Jun 21 09:56PM -0500 >> >> No not at all if we all sang the same tune we'd be a choir I will say that >> in recent history that western policy in the middle east, >> the formation of the Jewish state being one of them has been a big >> contributing factor to the radicalization of Islam. We had a workable >> policy in the region in that we didn't allow any one country to be the >> most >> powerful and the Bush administration royally screwed that up >> Taking out saddam hussein who by being a better gangster than a Muslim >> kept >> the fundamentalist in line. >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 11:00PM -0400 >> >> We agree here. >> >> At one point, I supported the invasion of Iraq.....I genuinely believed >> that there were weapons off mass destruction. >> >> Obviously it was a mistake; and a severe one. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:56 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> geoffrey theist <[email protected]>: Jun 21 10:13PM -0500 >> >> The best face that I could put on that was to establish another base of >> operations in the region so as not to have to rely on our always dubious >> Saudi allies. To secure our source of oil since China and Russia could >> drive there. 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Hornberger >> >> Peter Wehner, who works at a conservative organization called the Ethics >> and Public Policy Center and who worked in the last three Republican >> administrations, recently had an op-ed entitled “ The Indelible Stain of >> Donald Trump” in the New York Times, a piece that would cause any >> libertarian to bust a gut in laughter. That's not to say that Wehner meant >> his piece to be funny. It just turned out that way given the longtime >> inability of Wehner and other conservatives and Republicans to recognize >> their own faults and foibles. >> >> The point of Wehner's op-ed was to skewer Donald Trump by suggesting that >> he isn't a genuine conservative or Republican but instead an aberration an >> outlier “a malicious, malignant figure on the American political landscape.” >> >> What makes Wehner's piece so humorous is his inability to recognize that >> Trump is the absolutely perfect embodiment of conservativism and the modern >> Republican Party. Like other conservatives and Republicans, Wehner is >> living the life of the lie and the life that denies reality. He's got this >> sweet, pure concept of conservatism and the Republican Party in his head >> that doesn't comport with reality in the least. >> >> Consider what he writes: “Modern conservatism has three elements: a >> commitment to limited government and economic liberty that enables >> prosperity; moral traditionalism that conserves our capacity for liberty by >> producing responsible citizens; and a belief that America, confidently and >> carefully engaged in international affairs, can be a force for good in the >> world.” >> >> He then goes on to point out that “Trump rejects all three. He has shown >> no real desire to limit the size, cost, or reach of the federal government. >> He has no interest in economic liberty as it has been understood since Adam >> Smith. He wants an economy in which trade and immigration are tightly >> restricted and the government makes mercantilist deals on behalf of >> domestic producers.” >> >> Consider the welfare state. Don't most conservatives and Republicans >> express an unwavering allegiance to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, >> public schooling, education grants, farm subsidies, and most other >> welfare-state programs? Don't they embrace these socialist programs as >> fervently as people on the left? I will guarantee you: You'll never see >> Wehner or any other conservative or Republican calling for the immediate >> repeal of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, education >> grants, and certainly not the income tax that funds them all. >> >> Yet, how can the welfare state be reconciled with principles of “limited >> government and economic liberty that enables prosperity”? It can't be. >> >> Indeed, how can the federal income tax and the IRS be reconciled with >> Wehner's mantra? The IRS has unlimited powers to seize people's property >> without first having to go to court. Our American ancestors, who genuinely >> believed in free enterprise and limited government, lived without a federal >> income tax and an IRS for more than 100 years. But you certainly won't >> calling for that way of life. They are too wedded to the progressive income >> tax, which, by the way, was a plank in the Communist Manifesto. >> >> What about the national-security state, commonly known as the warfare >> state, or what President Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex? >> That old Cold War-era totalitarian apparatus that was grafted onto our >> federal governmental system after WWII is what passes for “limited >> government” in Wehner's quaint conservative mind. >> >> Thanks largely to conservatives and Republicans, the national-security >> state now wields the omnipotent power to round up Americans and put them >> into concentration camps indefinitely, torture them, and even assassinate >> them. >> >> That's what passes for “limited government” in Wehner's mind. >> >> And what about that other phrase that Wehner employs: “confidently and >> carefully engaged in international affairs … a force for good in the world.” >> >> Is he kidding? Oh for sure, the “confidently” fits the US >> national-security state's foreign policy. Some might even call it arrogant. >> But “carefully”? Come on! Were the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan done >> “carefully.” How about the invasion of Vietnam? The intervention in Korea? >> Is waging war without the constitutionally required congressional >> declaration of war considered “careful” in Wehman's conservative, >> Republican mind? How about the assassination attempts on Castro and other >> foreign leaders? The regime change operations against Chile, Guatemala, >> Iran, Cuba, Indonesia, and other countries? Were all those imperial >> military bases around the world selected and constructed “carefully.” >> >> And a “force for good”? Don't make me laugh. The national-security state >> has killed, tortured, and maimed countless people in its foreign incursions >> and foreign wars. Iraq and Afghanistan are only the most recent examples. >> It's those interventions and the death and destruction that have come with >> them that have given rise to civil wars raging across the Middle East and >> Afghanistan, the massive refugee crisis across Europe, the creation of >> ISIS, and the constant threat of terrorist blowback against Americans. All >> that has then been used as the excuse for suspending our rights and >> freedoms here at home, including the Patriot Act, felony privacy violations >> by the telecom industry, and the NSA's massive, secret, totalitarian-like >> surveillance schemes. >> >> What's good about any of that? >> >> Of course, I'm sure that Wehner would, like any good progressive, say, >> “Jacob, please judge us conservatives and Republicans by our good >> intentions, not by the actual consequences of the statist programs that we >> endorse and embrace.” But good intentions mean nothing. All that matters is >> the death, destruction, and loss of liberty and privacy that have >> accompanied conservative and Republican programs. >> >> Oh, and let's not forget the drug war, a federal program that goes to the >> heart of the conservative/Republican “free enterprise” paradigm. I'd love >> to see how Wehner reconciles that evil, immoral, and destructive government >> program with his understanding of economic liberty and limited government. >> >> If the conservative-Republican paradigm produces responsible citizens, >> then how come so many Americans must still be jailed for ingesting the >> wrong substances? How come Americans must be forced to be good and caring >> through Social Security and other welfare-state programs? >> >> While he's at it, maybe Wehner could explain how the conservative and >> Republican support of the decades-long war on immigrants, and the police >> state that immigration controls have brought to the American Southwest, can >> possibly be reconciled with the principles of economic liberty and limited >> government. >> >> Or about the decades-old system of economic embargoes and sanctions that >> are imposed on foreign regimes, which entail the criminal prosecution of >> Americans for doing what they want with their own money? How is that >> reconciled with Wehner's understanding of economic liberty? >> >> The fact is that conservatives threw in the towel of freedom and free >> markets decades ago, when becoming “respectable” and “credible” became >> important to them than devotion to principle. Since then, they have >> embraced the welfare-warfare state way of life as arduously as the most >> committed progressive. All that they have left is their mantras, to which >> they continue to hue religiously, as Wehner demonstrates. >> >> Donald Trump takes ad hoc positions on the various issues of the day, has >> no sense of principle, mouths empty mantras, and tacks left, middle, and >> right depending on how the political winds are blowing. Humorously, what >> Wehner can't bring himself to see is that that is precisely what makes >> Trump a model conservative and a model Republican. >> >> http://fff.org/2016/06/21/humorous-hypocrisy-conservatives-republicans/ >> Back to top <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_digest_top> >> Democrats’ War on Due Process and Terrorist Fearmongering Long Predate >> Orlando >> <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/6f4e634f644e7f87?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> >> MJ <[email protected]>: Jun 21 07:37PM -0400 >> >> June 21 2016 >> >> Democrats' War on Due Process and Terrorist Fearmongering Long Predate >> Orlando >> >> Glenn Greenwald >> >> Before the bodies were removed from the Pulse nightclub in Orlando last >> week, Democrats began eagerly exploiting that atrocity to demand a new, >> secret “terrorist watchlist”: something that was once the domestic >> centerpiece of the Bush/Cheney war-on-terror mentality. Led by their >> propaganda outlet, Center for American Progress (CAP), Democrats now want >> to empower the Justice Department without any judicial adjudication to >> unilaterally bar citizens who have not been charged with (let alone >> convicted of) any crime from purchasing guns. >> >> Worse than the measure itself is the rancid rhetoric they are using. To >> justify this new list, Democrats, in unison, are actually arguing that the >> US government must constrain people whom they are now calling “potential >> terrorists.” Just spend a moment pondering how creepy and Orwellian that >> phrase is in the context of government designations. >> >> [] >> >> What is a “potential terrorist”? Isn't everyone that? And who wants the >> US government empowered to unilaterally restrict what citizens can do based >> on predictions or guesses about what they might become or do in the future? >> Does anyone have any doubt that this will fall disproportionately on >> certain groups and types of people? >> >> The Democrats' most extreme attack on due process comes, unsurprisingly, >> from that party's supremely authoritarian Terror Warrior, Sen. Dianne >> Feinstein, whose bill would “give the attorney general the discretion to >> block a sale to a given individual suspected of involvement of some kind in >> terrorism.” In their effort to exploit Orlando and other recent mass >> shootings, Feinstein and the Democrats encountered a serious problem: >> Neither Omar Mateen, nor the racist Charleston killer Dylann Roof, nor >> numerous other mass shooters, were on any terrorist watchlist (Mateen was >> investigated by the FBI, which rightly closed its file on him in 2014 after >> it found no evidence of wrongdoing). So Feinstein wrote a special provision >> in her bill to obviate this objection, one empowering the attorney general >> to put anyone on the banned list “who has been investigated in the last >> five years for 'conduct related to a Federal crime of terrorism'” even if >> they were ultimately found to have done nothing wrong. >> >> After Feinstein's bill was rejected last night on a largely party-line >> vote by the Senate, the Democrats unleashed a fearmongering messaging >> campaign so exploitative and deceitful that it would have made Karl Rove >> blush with embarrassment, or at least seethe with envy. >> >> [] >> >> So now, in the lexicon of the leading liberal lights of the Democratic >> Party, someone deemed by the US government to be suspicious placed in >> secret on a list, with no evidence presented and no court process is the >> equivalent of “ISIS.” And to demand due process be accorded says this >> Harvard Law Professor is to arm ISIS. >> >> To see how deep down the authoritarian hole Democrats reside, consider >> this 1987 New York Times editorial raging against Reagan Attorney General >> Ed Meese for arguing that criminal suspects don't deserve Miranda warnings. >> Meese's rationale: “You don't have many suspects who are innocent of crime. >> That's contradictory. If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a >> suspect.” Said the NYT editors in response: “In other words, guilty until >> proven guilty.” That's exactly what Elizabeth Warren and Chris Murphy >> believe: If the US government views you as suspicious, that is proof of >> your guilt. Thus, a “suspect” is the same as “ISIS.” >> >> Even worse was the messaging that came from an operative with CAP, who >> has become a little Twitter star among the Democratic faithful for his >> endless Cheneyite exploitation of terrorism fears to attack Republicans and >> justify gun watchlists. This is how he described Feinstein's bill: >> >> [] >> >> It's hard to put into words how appalling that is. This CAP official is >> not only outright lying about Feinstein's bill: pretending that it bars >> “terrorists” rather than people placed on a suspicion watchlist from buying >> guns. Worse than rank dishonesty, he is literally, explicitly equating >> people who will be deemed suspicious by the US government overwhelmingly >> Muslim, needless to say with “terrorists.” As Sam Adler-Bell put it about >> this tweet, “Referring to all people on the DOJ's watchlist as 'terrorists' >> is legally incorrect and ethically ugly.” In Volsky's mind, or at least in >> his propaganda, anyone deemed by the government to be suspicious is now a >> “terrorist” no evidence needed, no trial held, no due process accorded. >> >> For eight years, this mentality was the driving force behind the worst >> Bush/Cheney war-on-terror abuses. No matter what the extremist policy was >> indefinite detention, warrantless eavesdropping, torture, no-fly lists, >> Guantánamo, rendition, CIA black sites Republicans would justify it by >> saying it was merely being done to “terrorists” and would accuse their due >> process-advocating critics of wanting to “protect terrorists.” What they >> actually meant was that all of this was being done to people accused by the >> US government of involvement in terrorism. But in their mind, “government >> accusations of terrorism” were synonymous with “proof of guilt.” >> >> That is exactly the warped, Orwellian formulation Democrats embrace: As >> is extremely obvious, the Democrats' definition of “terrorist” is “anyone >> whom the US government suspects of being a terrorist.” Just as was true of >> all those GOP abuses, what makes these Democratic proposals so dangerous is >> that they constitute a war on the most basic right of due process. As Vox's >> Dara Lind explained, “If you give the government more power to ban >> terrorists from having guns, you're reinforcing the power it has to define >> who counts as a terrorist.” That's why the ACLU yesterday wrote to the >> Senate and denounced Feinstein's bill: >> >> [] >> >> [] >> >> It's tempting for some Democratic faithful to believe that their party >> leaders do not really believe in this blatant attack on due process, but >> instead are just doing this as a political tactic, a form of trolling to >> place Republicans in an uncomfortable position on gun control. Though >> believing that might make Democrats feel better, it is pure fantasy, >> utterly unsustainable by looking at the naked reality of the Democratic >> Party. >> >> That theory might have some viability if Democrats had spent the last >> eight years fighting against the Bush/Cheney no-fly list and other forms of >> due process-free “terrorism” punishments. But the opposite is true: They >> have aggressively defended and expanded those policies. As The Intercept's >> Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Devereaux reported in 2014 after they obtained (and >> published) the US government's 166-page secret watchlist guidelines, “The >> Obama administration has quietly approved a substantial expansion of the >> terrorist watchlist system” ushering in massive increases in both the >> number of people on those lists and the ease of placing them on it. >> >> [] >> >> It's not just that there are huge numbers of people on the watchlist who >> have done nothing wrong. It's much worse than that: People who are >> acquitted of the charges against them can and do remain on the watchlist if >> the FBI wants them to. As an ACLU report this year documented: >> >> [] >> >> So it's not that the Democrats have tried but were thwarted by the Big, >> Bad Republicans to get rid of secret watchlists, and are now using that >> against the GOP as some sort of genius rhetorical move. Just like George >> Bush and Dick Cheney did, Democrats love secret, due process-free terror >> watchlists. They have aggressively expanded their usage overwhelmingly >> against American Muslims and are now seeking to create a whole new list for >> an entirely different purpose. They're doing this because they believe in >> it, and because they do not believe in due process. >> >> But none of this should be surprising. This is who the Democratic Party >> is. They have proven over and over that they believe that the definition of >> “terrorist” is “someone whom the US government suggests, in secret, might >> be a terrorist.” >> >> Thus they have cheered all sorts of attacks on due process in the name of >> fearmongering over terrorism. Obama presided over a significant increase in >> mass surveillance. He has gone around the world, in at least seven >> predominantly Muslim countries, killing people with bombs and missiles shot >> by drones, then justifying it on the ground that the people he wanted to >> kill were terrorists. Democrats even stood and cheered as the Obama >> administration asserted (and exercised) the right to target US citizens for >> execution via drone, based on nothing more than suspicion and government >> accusations; they even went to court to deny a father the right to have his >> American son have his day in court before being killed by the US government. >> >> [It should go without saying that Republicans here are no better. They >> watched approvingly for years as Bush and Cheney implemented this due >> process-free system of watchlists and secret punishments for terror >> suspects because it was predominantly affecting Muslims, and only began >> caring this year when their system (predictably) expanded, now to include >> gun rights. As I discussed last night with the ACLU's Hina Shamsi: >> >> [] >> >> Indeed, this is the 2003 document that created these secret, due >> process-free watchlists that Democrats have embraced and are now seeking to >> expand: >> >> [] >> >> Moreover, for years, fearmongering about terrorism and accusing due >> process-advocating liberals of loving al Qaeda were staples of the GOP's >> rhetoric. And GOP leaders still have not lost their touch when it comes to >> exploiting terror fears; just this week, Mitch McConnell plans to introduce >> a bill to expand secret, warrantless domestic surveillance by invoking >> Orlando.] >> >> The Fifth Amendment's guarantee of “due process” is really not that >> complicated: It provides that “no person shall be … deprived of life, >> liberty, or property, without due process of law.” This is not some >> ancillary luxury; it's one of the few genuine safeguards against tyranny. >> If you want to ban someone from buying a gun because you believe they're a >> Terrorist or otherwise a Bad Person, then go create a procedure where the >> government must go to an actual court, present evidence, the accused can >> respond, and then a judicial ruling is issued. What kind of a person >> opposes that? >> >> >> https://theintercept.com/2016/06/21/democrats-war-on-due-process-and-terrorist-fear-mongering-long-pre-dates-orlando/ >> Back to top <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_digest_top> >> [No Subject] >> <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/d0b5f047ff91644c?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 05:53PM -0400 >> >> For most thinking Americans, you've already seen this. I post this only >> for the Secular Progressive crowd who still don't have a clue: >> >> Obviously there are a few interpretations possible for what this data >> < >> http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/chart-of-the-day-people-on-presidential-campaign-payrolls-by-month/ >> > >> signifies. >> However, two of the more obvious points would be: >> >> - Two of the three candidates represented have never held executive >> management responsibility in the private sector where they needed to worry >> about labor efficiency. >> - Two of the three candidates have never needed to make a payroll, or be >> personally accountable for the financial viability of their endeavors. >> Their only budget familiarity is spending other peoples money. >> >> >> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/20/comparative-presidential-campaigns-efficiency-and-effectiveness/ >> ===== >> The Last Refuge <https://theconservativetreehouse.com/> >> Rag Tag Bunch of Conservative Misfits – Contact Info: >> [email protected] >> <https://theconservativetreehouse.com/> >> Skip to content >> < >> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/20/comparative-presidential-campaigns-efficiency-and-effectiveness/#content >> > >> >> - Home <https://theconservativetreehouse.com/> >> - About Us <https://theconservativetreehouse.com/about/> >> - E-Mail Guidelines >> <https://theconservativetreehouse.com/e-mail-request-guidelines/> >> - Guidelines For Comments >> <https://theconservativetreehouse.com/guidelines-for-comments/> >> >> ← June 20th – 2016 Presidential Election – Open Discussion >> < >> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/20/june-20th-2016-presidential-election-open-discussion/ >> > >> Incredible Manipulation – Obama Administration Replaces “Allah” with “God” >> On Released Orlando Terrorist Transcripts… → >> < >> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/20/incredible-manipulation-obama-administration-replaces-allah-with-god-on-released-orlando-terrorist-transcripts/ >> > >> Comparative Presidential Campaigns – Efficiency and Effectiveness… >> < >> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/20/comparative-presidential-campaigns-efficiency-and-effectiveness/ >> > >> Posted on June 20, 2016 >> < >> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/20/comparative-presidential-campaigns-efficiency-and-effectiveness/ >> > >> by sundance <https://theconservativetreehouse.com/author/sundancecracker/ >> > >> >> [image: 3 candidate bernie hillary trump 3] >> >> Listed below is a comparative graph, >> < >> http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/chart-of-the-day-people-on-presidential-campaign-payrolls-by-month/ >> > >> (from >> FEC records), showing the number of people on the campaign payrolls of: >> Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump over the past thirteen >> months: >> >> [image: payrolls] >> >> Obviously there are a few interpretations possible for what this data >> < >> http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/chart-of-the-day-people-on-presidential-campaign-payrolls-by-month/ >> > >> signifies. >> However, two of the more obvious points would be: >> >> - Two of the three candidates represented have never held executive >> management responsibility in the private sector where they needed to worry >> about labor efficiency. >> - Two of the three candidates have never needed to make a payroll, or be >> personally accountable for the financial viability of their endeavors. >> Their only budget familiarity is spending other peoples money. >> >> It is not too challenging to identify which two candidates would be >> unfamiliar with labor costs, budgeting and efficiency. In addition which >> candidate do you think would be more apt to focus on the elimination of >> bloated bureaucratic government, and waste? >> >> [image: trump lion] >> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>: Jun 21 05:58PM -0400 >> >> Is trump now a third party using the symbol of Britain??? >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> -- >> brine >> http://brineb.blogspot.com/ >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 06:05PM -0400 >> >> No.....I am not sure that's even official.....I've seen it for months, and >> I don't think it's related to his campaign, but as stated, I don't know >> for >> sure. >> >> Back to top <#m_9023318763125244087_m_2620929623644363974_digest_top> >> Clinton Gets Trump To Finally Snap: In A Fit Of Rage, He Admits He’s >> Little More Than A Con Artist >> <http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/t/808272468e09a622?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> >> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>: Jun 21 05:45PM -0400 >> >> I saw a clip of Hillary saying the bit about all his books ending with >> Chapter 11, the staff writer who came up with that should get a bonus!!! >> It's gonna be a dirty, messy few months until November!!! >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:21 PM, plainolamerican < >> [email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> -- >> brine >> http://brineb.blogspot.com/ >> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>: Jun 21 06:01PM -0400 >> >> I really don't think that there's much to worry about......I saw Hil >> Clinton's speech, and most of fit was untruthful....Blatantly lying, >> (Which >> as we know, just based on the group Political Forum; is a tendency and >> habit that all Secular Progressives seem to share!) >> >> The truth is that with the exception of one of the corporate bankruptcies, >> EVERYONE came out smelling like a rose....There was no "loss" as Hil >> Clinton tried to portray; and Trump (in one of the Protections) was the >> only one who did lose actual money and capital. >> >> Watching the speech, it didn't seem as though the crowd was buying it. 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